RE: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Dear all: Based on recommendations by others, and a shift from the ambiguous to the explicit, I note that intellectual property law is absent from the criteria. Accordingly I would ask for the following amendment. International law Competition law Intellectual property law Public interest issues Consumer rights Human rights Economics, especially market analysis Market mechanisms and dynamics Business principles Thank you, Brian Brian J. Winterfeldt Head of Internet Practice Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 2900 K Street NW, North Tower - Suite 200 / Washington, DC 20007-5118 p / (202) 625-3562 f / (202) 339-8244 575 Madison Avenue / New York, NY 10022-2585 p / (212) 940.6762 f / (212) 894.5585 brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com<mailto:brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com> / www.kattenlaw.com<http://www.kattenlaw.com/> ________________________________________ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.orgOn<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.orgOn> Behalf OfVolker Greimann Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:43:28 AM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) To: David Cake; jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets I agree with David's suggested additions. instead of financial services businesses, general business experience may be more appropriate. Volker Am 30.10.2014 07:15, schrieb David Cake:
I would consider adding to the list of variable criteria:
- data protection and privacy law
- broader internet governance activities
I'm also not sure why 'the special needs of financial services businesses' is on that list - not that I have a strong objection to anyone having this expertise, but I do not recall any item of council business having looked at this area in the last couple of years (though it is possible something is slipping my mind).
David
On 30 Oct 2014, at 10:02 am, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria.docx>
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Hi, I recommend adding: - Basic knowledge of how DNS and Registry related protocols (e.g DNS itself, EPP, Weirds, RFC 6761 &c. work) - Basic knowledge of how the interactions between the 3 operational IANA communities function and are evolving. There should be a few board members at this point should have a deep understanding on this whole tranistion and the dynamics involved. avri On 31-Oct-14 00:59, Winterfeldt, Brian J. wrote:
Dear all:
Based on recommendations by others, and a shift from the ambiguous to the explicit, I note that intellectual property law is absent from the criteria. Accordingly I would ask for the following amendment.
International law
Competition law
Intellectual property law
Public interest issues
Consumer rights
Human rights
Economics, especially market analysis
Market mechanisms and dynamics
Business principles
Thank you,
Brian
Brian J. Winterfeldt Head of Internet Practice Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 2900 K Street NW, North Tower - Suite 200 / Washington, DC 20007-5118 p / (202) 625-3562 f / (202) 339-8244
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Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
I agree with David's suggested additions.
instead of financial services businesses, general business experience may be more appropriate.
Volker
Am 30.10.2014 07:15, schrieb David Cake:
I would consider adding to the list of variable criteria: - data protection and privacy law - broader internet governance activities I'm also not sure why 'the special needs of financial services businesses' is on that list - not that I have a strong objection to anyone having this expertise, but I do not recall any item of council business having looked at this area in the last couple of years (though it is possible something is slipping my mind). David On 30 Oct 2014, at 10:02 am, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria.docx>
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I agree with the suggestions made by David and Avri. I would slightly rephrase David´s suggestion about internet governance activities to something like "understanding of how other internet governance processes/fora interplay with the role of ICANN". I also have the feeling that the last three skills (wikis, surveys, project management) are more related to the operational aspects of conducting discussions. They do not have the same nature/weight of the previous one, which are more related to substance. Does staff help with these aspects? Does it really make sense to have those skills so prominently in the document? Best wishes, Marília On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
I recommend adding:
- Basic knowledge of how DNS and Registry related protocols (e.g DNS itself, EPP, Weirds, RFC 6761 &c. work) - Basic knowledge of how the interactions between the 3 operational IANA communities function and are evolving. There should be a few board members at this point should have a deep understanding on this whole tranistion and the dynamics involved.
avri
On 31-Oct-14 00:59, Winterfeldt, Brian J. wrote:
Dear all:
Based on recommendations by others, and a shift from the ambiguous to the explicit, I note that intellectual property law is absent from the criteria. Accordingly I would ask for the following amendment.
International law
Competition law
Intellectual property law
Public interest issues
Consumer rights
Human rights
Economics, especially market analysis
Market mechanisms and dynamics
Business principles
Thank you,
Brian
Brian J. Winterfeldt Head of Internet Practice Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 2900 K Street NW, North Tower - Suite 200 / Washington, DC 20007-5118 p / (202) 625-3562 f / (202) 339-8244
575 Madison Avenue / New York, NY 10022-2585 p / (212) 940.6762 f / (212) 894.5585brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com<mailto:brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com> <brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com> / www.kattenlaw.com<http://www.kattenlaw.com/> <http://www.kattenlaw.com/>
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From: owner-council@gnso.icann.orgOn<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.orgOn> <owner-council@gnso.icann.orgOn> Behalf OfVolker Greimann
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:43:28 AM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
To: David Cake; jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info> <jrobinson@afilias.info>
Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> <council@gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
I agree with David's suggested additions.
instead of financial services businesses, general business experience may be more appropriate.
Volker
Am 30.10.2014 07:15, schrieb David Cake:
I would consider adding to the list of variable criteria:
- data protection and privacy law
- broader internet governance activities
I'm also not sure why 'the special needs of financial services businesses' is on that list - not that I have a strong objection to anyone having this expertise, but I do not recall any item of council business having looked at this area in the last couple of years (though it is possible something is slipping my mind).
David
On 30 Oct 2014, at 10:02 am, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info> <jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria.docx>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
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I agree, these seem better additions than requiring knowledge of very specific legal fields. Best, Volker Am 30.10.2014 22:44, schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I recommend adding:
- Basic knowledge of how DNS and Registry related protocols (e.g DNS itself, EPP, Weirds, RFC 6761 &c. work) - Basic knowledge of how the interactions between the 3 operational IANA communities function and are evolving. There should be a few board members at this point should have a deep understanding on this whole tranistion and the dynamics involved.
avri
On 31-Oct-14 00:59, Winterfeldt, Brian J. wrote:
Dear all:
Based on recommendations by others, and a shift from the ambiguous to the explicit, I note that intellectual property law is absent from the criteria. Accordingly I would ask for the following amendment.
International law
Competition law
Intellectual property law
Public interest issues
Consumer rights
Human rights
Economics, especially market analysis
Market mechanisms and dynamics
Business principles
Thank you,
Brian
Brian J. Winterfeldt Head of Internet Practice Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 2900 K Street NW, North Tower - Suite 200 / Washington, DC 20007-5118 p / (202) 625-3562 f / (202) 339-8244
575 Madison Avenue / New York, NY 10022-2585 p / (212) 940.6762 f / (212) 894.5585 brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com<mailto:brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com> /www.kattenlaw.com<http://www.kattenlaw.com/>
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:43:28 AM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
To: David Cake;jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>
Cc:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
I agree with David's suggested additions.
instead of financial services businesses, general business experience may be more appropriate.
Volker
Am 30.10.2014 07:15, schrieb David Cake:
I would consider adding to the list of variable criteria: - data protection and privacy law - broader internet governance activities I'm also not sure why 'the special needs of financial services businesses' is on that list - not that I have a strong objection to anyone having this expertise, but I do not recall any item of council business having looked at this area in the last couple of years (though it is possible something is slipping my mind). David On 30 Oct 2014, at 10:02 am, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria.docx>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email:vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>
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Hi Volker and David, Interesting that you would agree to some specific legal areas such as data protection and privacy but not intellectual property. We all understand that there is a balancing act to insure consumer protection which involves data protection, privacy and intellectual property rights. To be very specific, most of the online enforcement I do for Facebook is to prevent third parties from using our trademark to defraud internet users. So IP protection is just as relevant for consumer protection as data protection and privacy laws. We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. Best, Susan Kawaguchi Domain Name Manager Facebook Legal Dept. Phone - 650 485-6064 From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net>> Date: Friday, October 31, 2014 at 2:29 AM To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets I agree, these seem better additions than requiring knowledge of very specific legal fields. Best, Volker Am 30.10.2014 22:44, schrieb Avri Doria: Hi, I recommend adding: - Basic knowledge of how DNS and Registry related protocols (e.g DNS itself, EPP, Weirds, RFC 6761 &c. work) - Basic knowledge of how the interactions between the 3 operational IANA communities function and are evolving. There should be a few board members at this point should have a deep understanding on this whole tranistion and the dynamics involved. avri On 31-Oct-14 00:59, Winterfeldt, Brian J. wrote: Dear all: Based on recommendations by others, and a shift from the ambiguous to the explicit, I note that intellectual property law is absent from the criteria. Accordingly I would ask for the following amendment. International law Competition law Intellectual property law Public interest issues Consumer rights Human rights Economics, especially market analysis Market mechanisms and dynamics Business principles Thank you, Brian Brian J. 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Volker Am 30.10.2014 07:15, schrieb David Cake: I would consider adding to the list of variable criteria: - data protection and privacy law - broader internet governance activities I'm also not sure why 'the special needs of financial services businesses' is on that list - not that I have a strong objection to anyone having this expertise, but I do not recall any item of council business having looked at this area in the last couple of years (though it is possible something is slipping my mind). David On 30 Oct 2014, at 10:02 am, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info><mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info><mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote: <NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria.docx> -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. 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Well, I am not opposed to removing any specific references to legal fields. These are all very specialized topics only a few candidates would be able to fill. Volker Am 31.10.2014 18:49, schrieb Susan Kawaguchi:
Hi Volker and David,
Interesting that you would agree to some specific legal areas such as data protection and privacy but not intellectual property. We all understand that there is a balancing act to insure consumer protection which involves data protection, privacy and intellectual property rights. To be very specific, most of the online enforcement I do for Facebook is to prevent third parties from using our trademark to defraud internet users. So IP protection is just as relevant for consumer protection as data protection and privacy laws.
We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following:
Data protection Privacy
Consumer rights
Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. Best,
Susan Kawaguchi
Domain Name Manager
Facebook Legal Dept.
Phone - 650 485-6064
From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net <mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net>> Date: Friday, October 31, 2014 at 2:29 AM To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
I agree, these seem better additions than requiring knowledge of very specific legal fields.
Best,
Volker
Am 30.10.2014 22:44, schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I recommend adding:
- Basic knowledge of how DNS and Registry related protocols (e.g DNS itself, EPP, Weirds, RFC 6761 &c. work) - Basic knowledge of how the interactions between the 3 operational IANA communities function and are evolving. There should be a few board members at this point should have a deep understanding on this whole tranistion and the dynamics involved.
avri
On 31-Oct-14 00:59, Winterfeldt, Brian J. wrote:
Dear all:
Based on recommendations by others, and a shift from the ambiguous to the explicit, I note that intellectual property law is absent from the criteria. Accordingly I would ask for the following amendment.
International law
Competition law
Intellectual property law
Public interest issues
Consumer rights
Human rights
Economics, especially market analysis
Market mechanisms and dynamics
Business principles
Thank you,
Brian
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I agree with David's suggested additions.
instead of financial services businesses, general business experience may be more appropriate.
Volker
Am 30.10.2014 07:15, schrieb David Cake:
I would consider adding to the list of variable criteria: - data protection and privacy law - broader internet governance activities I'm also not sure why 'the special needs of financial services businesses' is on that list - not that I have a strong objection to anyone having this expertise, but I do not recall any item of council business having looked at this area in the last couple of years (though it is possible something is slipping my mind). David On 30 Oct 2014, at 10:02 am, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
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On 1 Nov 2014, at 1:49 am, Susan Kawaguchi <susank@fb.com> wrote:
Hi Volker and David,
Interesting that you would agree to some specific legal areas such as data protection and privacy but not intellectual property.
Do you think that ICANN, and the GNSO Council specifically, currently has a shortage of trademark lawyers involved in its processes that needs to be corrected? My 'teasing' was because asking for more expertise in the area might be taken to imply the ones we already have lack expertise, which I thought was a little funny coming from one of them - but I hasten to add that I do not think this is true, I think trademark lawyers absolutely should be involved in the our policy development processes, and there are already many who are, and who do a good job of bringing that expertise into our policy processes. The NomCom absolutely should be bringing us more intellectual property expertise IF that was an area in which we were currently lacking, but I do not think it is, nor is it likely to be. So my point isn't about the abstract value of intellectual property law, it is about the purpose of our direction to NomCom - I don't think it is a list purely of expertise that we'd like to have, I think it is a list of things that we'd like to have and currently are somewhat reliably lacking in. For example, I think it is absolutely crucial that council, and the GNSO generally, include people with a deep understanding of the registry and registrar business, but I wouldn't put that on the NomCom list, as the relevant stakeholder groups very reliably supply such people. Cheers David
Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed
Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian’s suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns?
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au<mailto:dave@difference.com.au>> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au<mailto:Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed
If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers.
Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics."
Thank you,
J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian’s suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns?
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!).
I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> wrote: Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au<mailto:dave@difference.com.au>> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au<mailto:Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed
All, Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com. Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com. In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com? Thanks, Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote: Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed
I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration. Regards, Dan Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa [cid:3437220290_21078] Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Telephone: +1 319 335-2132 From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All, Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com. Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com. In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com? Thanks, Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> wrote: Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au<mailto:dave@difference.com.au>> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au<mailto:Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed
Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria? David On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration.
Regards, Dan
Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu Telephone: +1 319 335-2132
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All,
Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com.
Therefore, I’d like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com.
In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com?
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important.
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate.
David
On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers.
Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics."
Thank you,
J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian’s suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns?
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!).
I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
All of these seem reasonable to me. Dan From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria? David On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu>> wrote: I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration. Regards, Dan Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Telephone: +1 319 335-2132 From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All, Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com. Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com. In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com? Thanks, Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> wrote: Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au<mailto:dave@difference.com.au>> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au<mailto:Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed <NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
Thanks Dan, Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom. Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All of these seem reasonable to me. Dan From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria? David On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote: I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration. Regards, Dan Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu Telephone: +1 319 335-2132 From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All, Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com. Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com. In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com? Thanks, Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote: Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed <NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
Here are the changes. (David, please make sure I captured them appropriately.) From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:47 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Thanks Dan, Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom. Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All of these seem reasonable to me. Dan From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria? David On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu>> wrote: I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration. Regards, Dan Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Telephone: +1 319 335-2132 From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All, Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com. Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com. In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com? Thanks, Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> wrote: Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au<mailto:dave@difference.com.au>> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au<mailto:Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed <NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
Actually, that isn't what I intended - I was asking for • Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications to the be included in the Variable Criteria under the "Knowledge of and experience with:" list. That is, I was asking for NomCom to consider sending us someone with significant experience in this area if possible, rather than adding it to the minimum criteria that all NomCom appointed councillors are expected to have. Other than that, the changes look good, and thank you for being the pen holder on this one Dan. Regards David On 9 Dec 2014, at 5:30 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2.docx>
Ah, sorry for the confusion. Here it is moved to the other category -----Original Message----- From: David Cake [mailto:dave@difference.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:38 PM To: Reed, Daniel A Cc: jrobinson@afilias.info; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Actually, that isn't what I intended - I was asking for * Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications to the be included in the Variable Criteria under the "Knowledge of and experience with:" list. That is, I was asking for NomCom to consider sending us someone with significant experience in this area if possible, rather than adding it to the minimum criteria that all NomCom appointed councillors are expected to have. Other than that, the changes look good, and thank you for being the pen holder on this one Dan. Regards David On 9 Dec 2014, at 5:30 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2.docx>
That looks good to me David On 11 Dec 2014, at 1:30 pm, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
Ah, sorry for the confusion. Here it is moved to the other category
-----Original Message----- From: David Cake [mailto:dave@difference.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:38 PM To: Reed, Daniel A Cc: jrobinson@afilias.info; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Actually, that isn't what I intended - I was asking for * Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications to the be included in the Variable Criteria under the "Knowledge of and experience with:" list.
That is, I was asking for NomCom to consider sending us someone with significant experience in this area if possible, rather than adding it to the minimum criteria that all NomCom appointed councillors are expected to have.
Other than that, the changes look good, and thank you for being the pen holder on this one Dan.
Regards
David
On 9 Dec 2014, at 5:30 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2.docx>
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV3.docx>
All, we’ve just realised that the revised Nom Com GNSO Candidate Criteria were not formally submitted back in December when the Council discussed these (see revised version attached). To correct this, we would like to propose to go ahead and submit these now as they may still help inform the NomCom’s deliberations. If you have any objections, please share those with the list by Thursday 7 May at the latest. Thanks, Marika From: <Reed>, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu>> Date: Monday 8 December 2014 20:30 To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>>, 'David Cake' <dave@difference.com.au<mailto:dave@difference.com.au>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Here are the changes. (David, please make sure I captured them appropriately.) From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:47 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Thanks Dan, Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom. Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All of these seem reasonable to me. Dan From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria? David On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu>> wrote: I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration. Regards, Dan Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu<mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Telephone: +1 319 335-2132 From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets All, Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com. Therefore, I’d like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com. In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com? Thanks, Jonathan From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important. From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate. David On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> wrote: Colleagues: Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au<mailto:dave@difference.com.au>> wrote: On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au<mailto:Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I read Brian’s suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns? Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!). I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David Best wishes, Heather From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets Hello Susan. - At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities. I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves. -We could restructure the list International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support. Thanks so much for your contribution. Regards, Ed <NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
Thanks Marika, No objections on my part. Amr On May 6, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:
All, we’ve just realised that the revised Nom Com GNSO Candidate Criteria were not formally submitted back in December when the Council discussed these (see revised version attached). To correct this, we would like to propose to go ahead and submit these now as they may still help inform the NomCom’s deliberations. If you have any objections, please share those with the list by Thursday 7 May at the latest.
Thanks,
Marika
From: <Reed>, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Date: Monday 8 December 2014 20:30 To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>, 'David Cake' <dave@difference.com.au>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Here are the changes. (David, please make sure I captured them appropriately.)
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:47 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Thanks Dan,
Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom.
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All of these seem reasonable to me.
Dan
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list
and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria?
David
On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration.
Regards, Dan
Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu Telephone: +1 319 335-2132
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All,
Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com.
Therefore, I’d like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com.
In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com?
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important.
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate.
David
On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers.
Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics."
Thank you,
J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian’s suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns?
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!).
I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2[1].docx>
All, we've just realised that the revised Nom Com GNSO Candidate Criteria were not formally submitted back in December when the Council discussed
Thanks Marika for flagging this. I think it will be useful to submit updated criteria to the Nom Com. However, on reviewing this, I see that the: "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" Was added to the baseline criteria. Now, given that the baseline criteria are (by definition) a minimum set of criteria that must be met by ALL candidates and can then be added to by the optional "variable" criteria, I think this addition is in the incorrect location. Would all of our current (Thomas, Dan & Carlos) very competent Nom-Com appointees have met this test? Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications may well be relevant and important but the other baseline criteria are general (relevant) skills together with a basic knowledge of the DNS. To me, this is a specialist area and to make a specialist areas such as "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" part of the minimum acceptable criteria for candidates would be an error in my opinion. Therefore, I suggest that we retain "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" but simply move it to the list below i.e. Variable Criteria that are useful to the GNSO. With that change, I think we are good to go. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Amr Elsadr [mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 06 May 2015 11:54 To: Marika Konings Cc: Reed, Daniel A; jrobinson@afilias.info; David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Thanks Marika, No objections on my part. Amr On May 6, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote: these (see revised version attached). To correct this, we would like to propose to go ahead and submit these now as they may still help inform the NomCom's deliberations. If you have any objections, please share those with the list by Thursday 7 May at the latest.
Thanks,
Marika
From: <Reed>, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Date: Monday 8 December 2014 20:30 To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>, 'David Cake' <dave@difference.com.au>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Here are the changes. (David, please make sure I captured them appropriately.)
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:47 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Thanks Dan,
Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no
other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom.
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All of these seem reasonable to me.
Dan
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of
- perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list
and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria?
David
On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration.
Regards, Dan
Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu Telephone: +1 319 335-2132
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All,
Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com.
Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com.
In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com?
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important.
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate.
David
On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me
Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms,
Thank you,
J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>
wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as
motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we
To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the
The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!).
I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge
an experience with' list. that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." that satisfy all concerns? think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap.
Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain
name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper
rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2[1].docx>
All, we've just realised that the revised Nom Com GNSO Candidate Criteria were not formally submitted back in December when the Council discussed these (see revised version attached). To correct this, we would like to propose to go ahead and submit these now as they may still help inform the NomCom's deliberations. If you have any objections, please share those with the list by Thursday 7 May at the latest.
Thanks,
Marika
From: <Reed>, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Date: Monday 8 December 2014 20:30 To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>, 'David Cake' <dave@difference.com.au>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Here are the changes. (David, please make sure I captured them appropriately.)
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:47 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Thanks Dan,
Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom.
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All of these seem reasonable to me.
Dan
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list
and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria?
David
On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration.
Regards, Dan
Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu Telephone: +1 319 335-2132
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All,
Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com.
Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com.
In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com?
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important.
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate.
David
On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me
Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms,
Thank you,
J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>
wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as
motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns?
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we
To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the
Hmm, you must be looking at an earlier version. It is under the variable criteria in the final version (which is attached, with the edits tracked) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 4:44 AM To: 'Amr Elsadr'; 'Marika Konings' Cc: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Thanks Marika for flagging this. I think it will be useful to submit updated criteria to the Nom Com. However, on reviewing this, I see that the: "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" Was added to the baseline criteria. Now, given that the baseline criteria are (by definition) a minimum set of criteria that must be met by ALL candidates and can then be added to by the optional "variable" criteria, I think this addition is in the incorrect location. Would all of our current (Thomas, Dan & Carlos) very competent Nom-Com appointees have met this test? Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications may well be relevant and important but the other baseline criteria are general (relevant) skills together with a basic knowledge of the DNS. To me, this is a specialist area and to make a specialist areas such as "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" part of the minimum acceptable criteria for candidates would be an error in my opinion. Therefore, I suggest that we retain "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" but simply move it to the list below i.e. Variable Criteria that are useful to the GNSO. With that change, I think we are good to go. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Amr Elsadr [mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 06 May 2015 11:54 To: Marika Konings Cc: Reed, Daniel A; jrobinson@afilias.info; David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Thanks Marika, No objections on my part. Amr On May 6, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote: that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council.
The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!).
I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain
name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper
rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2[1].docx>
All, we've just realised that the revised Nom Com GNSO Candidate Criteria were not formally submitted back in December when the Council discussed
Dan, Thanks for clarifying. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 07 May 2015 12:19 To: jrobinson@afilias.info; 'Amr Elsadr'; 'Marika Konings' Cc: 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Hmm, you must be looking at an earlier version. It is under the variable criteria in the final version (which is attached, with the edits tracked) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 4:44 AM To: 'Amr Elsadr'; 'Marika Konings' Cc: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Thanks Marika for flagging this. I think it will be useful to submit updated criteria to the Nom Com. However, on reviewing this, I see that the: "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" Was added to the baseline criteria. Now, given that the baseline criteria are (by definition) a minimum set of criteria that must be met by ALL candidates and can then be added to by the optional "variable" criteria, I think this addition is in the incorrect location. Would all of our current (Thomas, Dan & Carlos) very competent Nom-Com appointees have met this test? Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications may well be relevant and important but the other baseline criteria are general (relevant) skills together with a basic knowledge of the DNS. To me, this is a specialist area and to make a specialist areas such as "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" part of the minimum acceptable criteria for candidates would be an error in my opinion. Therefore, I suggest that we retain "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" but simply move it to the list below i.e. Variable Criteria that are useful to the GNSO. With that change, I think we are good to go. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Amr Elsadr [mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 06 May 2015 11:54 To: Marika Konings Cc: Reed, Daniel A; jrobinson@afilias.info; David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets Thanks Marika, No objections on my part. Amr On May 6, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote: these (see revised version attached). To correct this, we would like to propose to go ahead and submit these now as they may still help inform the NomCom's deliberations. If you have any objections, please share those with the list by Thursday 7 May at the latest.
Thanks,
Marika
From: <Reed>, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Date: Monday 8 December 2014 20:30 To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>, 'David Cake' <dave@difference.com.au>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Here are the changes. (David, please make sure I captured them appropriately.)
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:47 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Thanks Dan,
Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no
other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom.
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All of these seem reasonable to me.
Dan
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of
- perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list
and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria?
David
On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration.
Regards, Dan
Daniel A. Reed Vice President for Research and Economic Development Computational Science and Bioinformatics Chair Professor of Computer Science, Electrical and Computer Engineering, and Medicine University of Iowa <image001.gif> Skypeid: hpcdan Email: dan-reed@uiowa.edu Telephone: +1 319 335-2132
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All,
Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com.
Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com.
In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com?
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important.
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate.
David
On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me
Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms,
Thank you,
J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au>
wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as
motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we
To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the
The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!).
I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge
an experience with' list. that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers. like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics." that satisfy all concerns? think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap.
Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain
name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper
rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2[1].docx>
In general terms the regulator in Costa Rica had the direct responsibility over privacy of telecommunications, but the fact is that a myriad of other laws and entities had to do with data protection and privacy. Do I maybe had flunked the test (but nobody asked about that in the NomCom interviews) ;) Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 (New Number) Enviado desde mi iPhone
El may 7, 2015, a las 3:44, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> escribió:
Thanks Marika for flagging this.
I think it will be useful to submit updated criteria to the Nom Com. However, on reviewing this, I see that the:
"Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications"
Was added to the baseline criteria.
Now, given that the baseline criteria are (by definition) a minimum set of criteria that must be met by ALL candidates and can then be added to by the optional "variable" criteria, I think this addition is in the incorrect location. Would all of our current (Thomas, Dan & Carlos) very competent Nom-Com appointees have met this test?
Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications may well be relevant and important but the other baseline criteria are general (relevant) skills together with a basic knowledge of the DNS. To me, this is a specialist area and to make a specialist areas such as "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" part of the minimum acceptable criteria for candidates would be an error in my opinion.
Therefore, I suggest that we retain "Knowledge of privacy and data protection laws and implications" but simply move it to the list below i.e. Variable Criteria that are useful to the GNSO.
With that change, I think we are good to go.
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: Amr Elsadr [mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 06 May 2015 11:54 To: Marika Konings Cc: Reed, Daniel A; jrobinson@afilias.info; David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Thanks Marika,
No objections on my part.
Amr
On May 6, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:
All, we've just realised that the revised Nom Com GNSO Candidate Criteria were not formally submitted back in December when the Council discussed these (see revised version attached). To correct this, we would like to propose to go ahead and submit these now as they may still help inform the NomCom's deliberations. If you have any objections, please share those with the list by Thursday 7 May at the latest.
Thanks,
Marika
From: <Reed>, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> Date: Monday 8 December 2014 20:30 To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>, 'David Cake' <dave@difference.com.au>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Here are the changes. (David, please make sure I captured them appropriately.)
From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:47 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Thanks Dan,
Please can you add them to your revised version and then, if there are no other additions / modifications, we can use that as an updated guide for the NomCom.
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 06 December 2014 20:24 To: David Cake; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All of these seem reasonable to me.
Dan
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:06 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Going back to the very start of discussion: - I would like to add privacy and data protection law to the 'knowledge of an experience with' list. - perhaps we should consider adding 'experience with other Internet governance fora' to the general Variable Criteria list
and, while I don't have strong feelings about it, in the interests of not simply expanding the list without ever removing anything from it, does anyone feel a need to keep "Understanding of the special needs of financial services businesses" on the list of variable criteria?
David
On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:07 am, Reed, Daniel A <dan-reed@uiowa.edu> wrote:
I think it looks quite good. I took the liberty of tightening the grammar in a few places and adding a couple of small points for consideration.
Regards, Dan
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From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:38 AM To: Reed, Daniel A; 'David Cake'; 'James M. Bladel'; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
All,
Taking you back to this thread since I have received a follow-up request on this. The points made were interesting but we may have got a little side-tracked, at least in so far as producing a practical outcome for the Nom Com.
Therefore, I'd like to ask specifically if there is a willing volunteer to pick up the pen and undertake a revision of the existing document. The objective being to review and edit (if necessary) the existing document such that we can return it to the Nom Com.
In my opinion, the existing document (re-attached for reference) is reasonable and may even be satisfactory. So, anyone available to review and propose and relevant edits such that we can turn this around and return it to the Nom Com?
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: Reed, Daniel A [mailto:dan-reed@uiowa.edu] Sent: 03 November 2014 03:13 To: David Cake; James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
Law is far too restrictive. Common sense and experience are far more important.
From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:09 PM To: James M. Bladel; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] NomCom appointee skill sets
If we were to use this language for additions to the Baseline criteria. I agree with James that would be appropriate.
David
On 3 Nov 2014, at 9:07 am, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Apologies for jumping in to this thread so late. But it occurs to me that by using the word "law" we are significantly (and, IMO, inappropriately) limiting the potential pool of NomCom appointees to lawyers.
Recommend that we replace each instance of "law" with broader terms, like "issues" or "concepts" or "topics."
Thank you,
J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy
On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:15 AM, David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2014, at 7:00 am, Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest@acu.edu.au> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I read Brian's suggested addition of IP law to the skillset as motivated by the specification of certain relevant areas of the law but not others. If we articulate the skill set at a higher level of abstraction (knowledge of and experience in relation to law relevant to the DNS), would that satisfy all concerns?
Not really. We would still be specifying a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberation, rather than a set of legal skills that we think would likely be useful to council deliberations AND that the council is unlikely to already have. To reiterate - my issue with having intellectual property law on the list isn't because I think intellectual property law isn't important (it clearly is), my issue is that any given council almost certainly has at least two experts in IP law, and I've don't think in the time I've been in iCANN there have been less than three on council. The more specific we are in our instructions to NomCom, the likely we are that NomCom will give us some of what we ask for. And NomCom does seem to pay attention to the list, though clearly reliant on who applies (for example, the prior list included both intergovernmental expertise and economics, and we got Carlos, an economist who has been in the GAC. Thanks, NomCom!).
I'd have no particular objection to adding Brian's 'general comprehension of IP law' to the baseline criteria expected of all councillors - I presume all of us could explain what a trademark, copyright, and patent are if pressed, and most of us have significantly more knowledge than that - though it doesn't seem as important to me as the other baseline criteria, such as basic knowledge of DNS systems and industry structure. But the variable criteria are to 'fill gaps in the skill set of the Council' (quoting directly), and I don't think intellectual property law is a notable gap. Regards David
Best wishes,
Heather
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org[mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edward Morris Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2014 6:02 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
Hello Susan.
- At the end of the day consumer protection, insuring that the domain
name system is safe and secure, should be one of our highest priorities.
I agree with you that consumer protection is a justifiable and proper
rationale for the creation and extension of intellectual monopoly rights and has been deemed so in Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least, since the Bakers Marking Law of 1266. We may on occasion disagree with the structure and scope of such rights but I'm delighted there seems to be some practical agreement on the purpose of the rights themselves.
-We could restructure the list
International law which includes the following: Data protection Privacy Consumer rights Human rights Competition law Intellectual property law
I think this is a fine and practical proposal that I support.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Regards,
Ed
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DAR.docx>
<NomCom - GNSO Candidate Criteria--DARV2[1].docx>
I would have thought this was an odd request for the IPC to make, as it implies the two intellectual property lawyers that IPC already generally provides to council are somehow inadequate. Or perhaps you are suggesting that council needs more people who are able to provide an expert intellectual property law perspective from outside the IPC, in which case I agree :-) But if you'll pardon my teasing above - more seriously, while I absolutely agree that intellectual property law expertise is valuable to council, I would have thought intellectual property law is also one area of expertise that council is pretty much guaranteed to possess, and the NomCom appointees are designed more to fill gaps, rather than bolster areas of relative strength? David On 30 Oct 2014, at 11:59 pm, Winterfeldt, Brian J. <brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com> wrote:
Dear all:
Based on recommendations by others, and a shift from the ambiguous to the explicit, I note that intellectual property law is absent from the criteria. Accordingly I would ask for the following amendment.
International law Competition law Intellectual property law Public interest issues Consumer rights Human rights Economics, especially market analysis Market mechanisms and dynamics Business principles
Thank you,
Brian
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________________________________________ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.orgOn Behalf OfVolker Greimann Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:43:28 AM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) To: David Cake; jrobinson@afilias.info Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: NomCom appointee skill sets
I agree with David's suggested additions.
instead of financial services businesses, general business experience may be more appropriate.
Volker
Am 30.10.2014 07:15, schrieb David Cake:
I would consider adding to the list of variable criteria: - data protection and privacy law - broader internet governance activities
I'm also not sure why 'the special needs of financial services businesses' is on that list - not that I have a strong objection to anyone having this expertise, but I do not recall any item of council business having looked at this area in the last couple of years (though it is possible something is slipping my mind).
David
On 30 Oct 2014, at 10:02 am, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:
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Winterfeldt, Brian J.