Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
My SG should trust me enough and have enough respect for my integrity such that my word alone is sufficient. If they don't, it calls into question whether I should be one of its representatives as well as whether I want to be its representative if there is so little trust and respect. If that's the case, I sure hope they'll speak up before I give up any more of my time to this role. Kristina Rosette Covington & Burling LLP 1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20004-2401 voice: 202-662-5173 direct fax: 202-778-5173 main fax: 202-662-6291 e-mail: krosette@cov.com This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. ------------------------- Sent from my Wireless Handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org> To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com>; GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Sent: Sat Oct 17 03:40:25 2009 Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate But how do you prove to your SG that is actually what you voted (and that you represented them appropriately?). Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 4:16 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate Chuck raises an important point. Do the CSG Councilors intend that their votes be secret even within their SG? A secret ballot at the Council level is a different issue from keeping Councilors' votes secret from their constituents. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com> Date: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:08 am To: "Mary Wong" <MWong@piercelaw.edu> Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Strictly from a personal point of view: + I favor an open ballot for accountability and transparency reasons, but I also respect the concerns of individual Councilors. + If just one Councilor requests a secret ballot, I then am fine with a secret ballot with at least one caveat that the votes of each SG's reps be communicated to the SG. + If am fine with Avri's suggestion to poll the Council regarding whether to hold a secret or open ballot. I have raised this issue on the RySG list and am waiting their direction. In the end I will respond to the poll in accordance with that direction and not my personal views. Chuck From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:18 AM Cc: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate Hi On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?
I think that at a time when there seems to be a lot of mistrust amongst the ICANN community and. more importantly, when there are many new entrants/participants and Councillors, it's important to have complete transparency in the GNSO processes. As such, I don't support the idea of a secret ballot in this case. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
Do we really need to go so deep into this that we are now wondering whether councillors can be trusted by their SGs and so on? On a personal level, I prefer to have an open vote. If people run for election, and then hold a grudge against those who do not vote for them, then they should not run period. Also, I prefer a totally transparent vote. But that's just me. At least one us feels very strongly about not having it open and has requested that we do not. That view should be heard and respected. As a result, it has been suggested that we vote on whether the elections should be an open ballot or a closed one. So let's just do that and move on. Stéphane Le 17/10/09 13:33, « Rosette, Kristina » <krosette@cov.com> a écrit :
My SG should trust me enough and have enough respect for my integrity such that my word alone is sufficient. If they don't, it calls into question whether I should be one of its representatives as well as whether I want to be its representative if there is so little trust and respect. If that's the case, I sure hope they'll speak up before I give up any more of my time to this role.
Kristina Rosette Covington & Burling LLP 1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20004-2401 voice: 202-662-5173 direct fax: 202-778-5173 main fax: 202-662-6291 e-mail: krosette@cov.com
This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation.
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----- Original Message ----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org> To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com>; GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Sent: Sat Oct 17 03:40:25 2009 Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
But how do you prove to your SG that is actually what you voted (and that you represented them appropriately?).
Adrian Kinderis
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 4:16 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Chuck raises an important point. Do the CSG Councilors intend that their votes be secret even within their SG? A secret ballot at the Council level is a different issue from keeping Councilors' votes secret from their constituents.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com> Date: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:08 am To: "Mary Wong" <MWong@piercelaw.edu> Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org>
Strictly from a personal point of view:
+ I favor an open ballot for accountability and transparency reasons, but I also respect the concerns of individual Councilors.
+ If just one Councilor requests a secret ballot, I then am fine with a secret ballot with at least one caveat that the votes of each SG's reps be communicated to the SG.
+ If am fine with Avri's suggestion to poll the Council regarding whether to hold a secret or open ballot.
I have raised this issue on the RySG list and am waiting their direction. In the end I will respond to the poll in accordance with that direction and not my personal views.
Chuck
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:18 AM Cc: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Hi
On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?
I think that at a time when there seems to be a lot of mistrust amongst the ICANN community and. more importantly, when there are many new entrants/participants and Councillors, it's important to have complete transparency in the GNSO processes. As such, I don't support the idea of a secret ballot in this case.
Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
My understanding is that counselors represent the voice of the constituencies, not their own, so assuming we are all adults and professionals, no one should take it personally. Putting aside that I do not remember any recent secret poll, we are always striving for transparency and accountability, so let's demonstrate it by voting open. jordi -- Jordi Iparraguirre Fundació puntCAT www.domini.cat
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