Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Hi all, as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration. The deadline for submission is the 1st June. I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering. Best, Rafik
Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red: We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration. The deadline for submission is the 1st June. I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering.
Best,
Rafik
Hi Ayden For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset. Donna From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red: We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration. The deadline for submission is the 1st June. I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering. Best, Rafik
Hi Donna, Thanks for your email. I don't see how this language is incompatible with what you said on the call. I am not saying that diversity should supersede qualifications; I'm just saying we should "encourage" the respective Councils to consider the elements of diversity that have been identified by the CCWG when making their appointments, along with skillset. It's more a friendly reminder - 'hey we have this, do look over it' - than anything else. Best wishes, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 9:05 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset.
Donna
From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red:
We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group.
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
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On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration.
The deadline for submission is the 1st June.
I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering.
Best,
Rafik
Hi Ayden I appreciate your suggestion, but I see the inclusion of the language you suggest as having the potential to compromise the selection process because some may interpret it as a requirement. I’m also extremely reluctant to agree to the inclusion of the language at this time given that the CCWG has not yet approved the Final Report, pending a review of comments from the recently closed public comment period. Donna From: Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann@ferdeline.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:37 PM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> Cc: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review Hi Donna, Thanks for your email. I don't see how this language is incompatible with what you said on the call. I am not saying that diversity should supersede qualifications; I'm just saying we should "encourage" the respective Councils to consider the elements of diversity that have been identified by the CCWG when making their appointments, along with skillset. It's more a friendly reminder - 'hey we have this, do look over it' - than anything else. Best wishes, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 9:05 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar<mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar>> wrote: Hi Ayden For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset. Donna From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red: We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration. The deadline for submission is the 1st June. I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering. Best, Rafik
I do not understand why "geographic diversity" is being sought, but no other elements of diversity. I would have thought what we were really interested in is ensuring that overall population diversity is broadly accounted for on the CSC, which might involve language and other culture, religion or ideology, economic status, gender, etc. Geography is a bad proxy for ensuring social differences on any team. I also think it is possible to have a CSC filled with qualified members from a diverse slate of candidates. Best wishes, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 25 May 2018 12:32 AM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
I appreciate your suggestion, but I see the inclusion of the language you suggest as having the potential to compromise the selection process because some may interpret it as a requirement. I’m also extremely reluctant to agree to the inclusion of the language at this time given that the CCWG has not yet approved the Final Report, pending a review of comments from the recently closed public comment period.
Donna
From: Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann@ferdeline.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:37 PM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> Cc: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Hi Donna,
Thanks for your email. I don't see how this language is incompatible with what you said on the call. I am not saying that diversity should supersede qualifications; I'm just saying we should "encourage" the respective Councils to consider the elements of diversity that have been identified by the CCWG when making their appointments, along with skillset. It's more a friendly reminder - 'hey we have this, do look over it' - than anything else.
Best wishes,
Ayden
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On 24 May 2018 9:05 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset.
Donna
From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red:
We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group.
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
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On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration.
The deadline for submission is the 1st June.
I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering.
Best,
Rafik
Ayden, Donna, Rafik, I think I understand why the wording on diversity was carefully chosen, and even the CCWG on accountability WS2 acknowledges commonalities of interests and backgrounds within some stakeholder groups – I don’t think that’s likely to change in the final report, that makes sense. I would personally even hope that the ccSNO and RySG will take into account elements of importance other that those strictly mentioned by the CCWG given the remit of the CSC (such as some background on IDNs). The other thing is that we should be cautious with the terminology. According to current procedure I think appointment and approval are used for different things: the appointment is made by the RySG (as customer of the naming service) and then approved by the GNSO council. I would therefore probably prefer to text to stay as it is. If a reference to the CCWG is deemed useful however, I can probably live with something like this The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We also encourage the appointing organizations to consider the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group in their appointment process. Regards, Philippe From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red: We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration. The deadline for submission is the 1st June. I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering. Best, Rafik _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you.
Hi Ayden, Donna, thanks for the comments.what about this language to support diversity without going into specifics: "We furthermore encourage that appointments take into consideration the CCWG Work Stream 2 recommendations to the greatest extent possible" Best, Rafik Le dim. 27 mai 2018 à 23:17, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> a écrit :
I do not understand why "geographic diversity" is being sought, but no other elements of diversity. I would have thought what we were really interested in is ensuring that overall population diversity is broadly accounted for on the CSC, which might involve language and other culture, religion or ideology, economic status, gender, etc. Geography is a bad proxy for ensuring social differences on any team. I also think it is possible to have a CSC filled with qualified members from a diverse slate of candidates.
Best wishes,
Ayden
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Hi Ayden
I appreciate your suggestion, but I see the inclusion of the language you suggest as having the potential to compromise the selection process because some may interpret it as a requirement. I’m also extremely reluctant to agree to the inclusion of the language at this time given that the CCWG has not yet approved the Final Report, pending a review of comments from the recently closed public comment period.
Donna
*From:* Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann@ferdeline.com] *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:37 PM *To:* Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> *Cc:* Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Council GNSO < council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* RE: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Hi Donna,
Thanks for your email. I don't see how this language is incompatible with what you said on the call. I am not saying that diversity should supersede qualifications; I'm just saying we should "encourage" the respective Councils to consider the elements of diversity that have been identified by the CCWG when making their appointments, along with skillset. It's more a friendly reminder - 'hey we have this, do look over it' - than anything else.
Best wishes,
Ayden
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On 24 May 2018 9:05 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset.
Donna
*From:* council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ayden Férdeline *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM *To:* Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> *Cc:* Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red:
We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group.
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
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On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration.
The deadline for submission is the 1st June.
I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering.
Best,
Rafik
Thanks for this, Rafik, I support that language. Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 28 May 2018 11:41 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ayden, Donna,
thanks for the comments.what about this language to support diversity without going into specifics: "We furthermore encourage that appointments take into consideration the CCWG Work Stream 2 recommendations to the greatest extent possible"
Best,
Rafik
Le dim. 27 mai 2018 à 23:17, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> a écrit :
I do not understand why "geographic diversity" is being sought, but no other elements of diversity. I would have thought what we were really interested in is ensuring that overall population diversity is broadly accounted for on the CSC, which might involve language and other culture, religion or ideology, economic status, gender, etc. Geography is a bad proxy for ensuring social differences on any team. I also think it is possible to have a CSC filled with qualified members from a diverse slate of candidates.
Best wishes,
Ayden
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 25 May 2018 12:32 AM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
I appreciate your suggestion, but I see the inclusion of the language you suggest as having the potential to compromise the selection process because some may interpret it as a requirement. I’m also extremely reluctant to agree to the inclusion of the language at this time given that the CCWG has not yet approved the Final Report, pending a review of comments from the recently closed public comment period.
Donna
From: Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann@ferdeline.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:37 PM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> Cc: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Hi Donna,
Thanks for your email. I don't see how this language is incompatible with what you said on the call. I am not saying that diversity should supersede qualifications; I'm just saying we should "encourage" the respective Councils to consider the elements of diversity that have been identified by the CCWG when making their appointments, along with skillset. It's more a friendly reminder - 'hey we have this, do look over it' - than anything else.
Best wishes,
Ayden
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On 24 May 2018 9:05 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset.
Donna
From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red:
We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group.
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
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On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration.
The deadline for submission is the 1st June.
I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering.
Best,
Rafik
Thanks Rafik, I can live with this language. From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 2:42 AM To: Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> Cc: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review Hi Ayden, Donna, thanks for the comments.what about this language to support diversity without going into specifics: "We furthermore encourage that appointments take into consideration the CCWG Work Stream 2 recommendations to the greatest extent possible" Best, Rafik Le dim. 27 mai 2018 à 23:17, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>> a écrit : I do not understand why "geographic diversity" is being sought, but no other elements of diversity. I would have thought what we were really interested in is ensuring that overall population diversity is broadly accounted for on the CSC, which might involve language and other culture, religion or ideology, economic status, gender, etc. Geography is a bad proxy for ensuring social differences on any team. I also think it is possible to have a CSC filled with qualified members from a diverse slate of candidates. Best wishes, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 25 May 2018 12:32 AM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar<mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar>> wrote: Hi Ayden I appreciate your suggestion, but I see the inclusion of the language you suggest as having the potential to compromise the selection process because some may interpret it as a requirement. I’m also extremely reluctant to agree to the inclusion of the language at this time given that the CCWG has not yet approved the Final Report, pending a review of comments from the recently closed public comment period. Donna From: Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann@ferdeline.com<mailto:icann@ferdeline.com>] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:37 PM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar<mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar>> Cc: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review Hi Donna, Thanks for your email. I don't see how this language is incompatible with what you said on the call. I am not saying that diversity should supersede qualifications; I'm just saying we should "encourage" the respective Councils to consider the elements of diversity that have been identified by the CCWG when making their appointments, along with skillset. It's more a friendly reminder - 'hey we have this, do look over it' - than anything else. Best wishes, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 9:05 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar<mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar>> wrote: Hi Ayden For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset. Donna From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red: We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration. The deadline for submission is the 1st June. I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering. Best, Rafik
Thanks Donna, Ayden I attached the latest version including the amendment. Rafik Le mer. 30 mai 2018 à 03:56, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> a écrit :
Thanks Rafik, I can live with this language.
*From:* Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2018 2:42 AM *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> *Cc:* Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar>; Council GNSO < council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Hi Ayden, Donna,
thanks for the comments.what about this language to support diversity without going into specifics:
"We furthermore encourage that appointments take into consideration the CCWG Work Stream 2 recommendations to the greatest extent possible"
Best,
Rafik
Le dim. 27 mai 2018 à 23:17, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> a écrit :
I do not understand why "geographic diversity" is being sought, but no other elements of diversity. I would have thought what we were really interested in is ensuring that overall population diversity is broadly accounted for on the CSC, which might involve language and other culture, religion or ideology, economic status, gender, etc. Geography is a bad proxy for ensuring social differences on any team. I also think it is possible to have a CSC filled with qualified members from a diverse slate of candidates.
Best wishes,
Ayden
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On 25 May 2018 12:32 AM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
I appreciate your suggestion, but I see the inclusion of the language you suggest as having the potential to compromise the selection process because some may interpret it as a requirement. I’m also extremely reluctant to agree to the inclusion of the language at this time given that the CCWG has not yet approved the Final Report, pending a review of comments from the recently closed public comment period.
Donna
*From:* Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann@ferdeline.com] *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:37 PM *To:* Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> *Cc:* Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Council GNSO < council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* RE: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Hi Donna,
Thanks for your email. I don't see how this language is incompatible with what you said on the call. I am not saying that diversity should supersede qualifications; I'm just saying we should "encourage" the respective Councils to consider the elements of diversity that have been identified by the CCWG when making their appointments, along with skillset. It's more a friendly reminder - 'hey we have this, do look over it' - than anything else.
Best wishes,
Ayden
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On 24 May 2018 9:05 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar> wrote:
Hi Ayden
For the reasons I stated on the Council call last night, I do not support the inclusion of this language. The CSC has a very narrow task and requires a particular skillset.
Donna
*From:* council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ayden Férdeline *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:22 AM *To:* Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> *Cc:* Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [council] Draft GNSO Council comment on CSC charter review
Thanks very much Philippe, Donna, and Rafik for drafting this. In the penultimate paragraph, I suggest appending the following sentence in red:
We would recommend for language to be amended for clarity from “they will take into account the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill set” to “The ccNSO and GNSO Council will consider the overall composition of the proposed CSC in terms of geographic diversity and skill sets” to indicates explicitly the role of the GNSO and ccNSO councils. We furthermore encourage the respective councils to appoint members in line with the principles and elements of diversity that were identified by the Cross-Community Working Group on Accountability Work Stream 2 Diversity Sub-Group.
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
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On 24 May 2018 8:22 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
as a follow-up of the council call, I am sending the draft comment for CSC charter review made by the small drafting team for council consideration.
The deadline for submission is the 1st June.
I would like to thank again Philippe and Donna for volunteering.
Best,
Rafik
Hi all, the deadline for submitting the comment is Friday 1st June . in absence of objection, I will submit the attached draft on behalf of the council. Best, Rafik
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Austin, Donna -
Ayden Férdeline -
philippe.fouquart＠orange.com -
Rafik Dammak