Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
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Dear Councillors, In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can. For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc.... The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: · Expected costs / resources; · Expected benefits; · Expected time-to-market; · Possible business risks; · Possible legal risks; · Possible reputational risks; · Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); · Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD). Thanks. Regards, Philippe From: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Councillors, Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week. This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP. The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board. Best regards, Philippe From: Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org>; gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org<mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>>; Secretary <secretary@icann.org<mailto:secretary@icann.org>>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org<mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Philippe Fouquart, Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2. Thank you and best regards, Wendy Profit ICANN Board Operations Senior Manager 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you.
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Thank you Philippe. Seeing as the Council has taken a stab at identifying risks in context, maybe some further prompting to a logical extension; pricing them to get a more inclusive cost/benefit framework. Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 1:12 PM philippe.fouquart--- via council < council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Councillors,
In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can.
For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc....
The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects:
· Expected costs / resources;
· Expected benefits;
· Expected time-to-market;
· Possible business risks;
· Possible legal risks;
· Possible reputational risks;
· Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution);
· Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD).
Thanks.
Regards,
Philippe
*From:* FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM *To:* council@gnso.icann.org *Subject:* FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Councillors,
Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week.
This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP.
The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board.
Best regards,
Philippe
*From:* Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org <gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM *To:* gnso-chairs@icann.org; gnso-secs@icann.org *Cc:* Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>; Secretary < secretary@icann.org>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org> *Subject:* [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Philippe Fouquart,
Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2.
Thank you and best regards,
Wendy Profit
ICANN
Board Operations Senior Manager
12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los Angeles, CA 90094
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Hi Philippe and everyone: I have given some thought to this but not enough and hope to have something well (or at least better) thought out by Monday. My early thinking is that: 1. The Council resolution called for a specific analysis: "Noting some of the questions surrounding the financial sustainability of SSAD and some of the concerns expressed within the different minority statements, the GNSO Council requests a consultation with the ICANN Board as part of the delivery of the GNSO Council Recommendations Report to the ICANN Board to discuss these issues, including whether a further cost-benefit analysis should be conducted before the ICANN Board considers all SSAD-related recommendations for adoption." The resolution doesn't request an "ODP"; it requests analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit. 2. The Board responded and stated, essentially, “we welcome the consultation and will create a methodology (the ODP) to address the issues raised.” 3, The Council wrote: great, here are the items we think are necessary to accomplish the analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit (and listed the items in Philipp’s email below). 4. Now Maarten has responded, "well, an ODP doesn’t cover those things." In other words, the Council did not ask for an “ODP,” it requested analysis of financial sustainability and cost-benefit. The Board invented an ODP and then said, it does not apply to the request of the Council. In addition, the comment of the Council on the ODP draft was that there be transparency throughout the ODP process. In this most recent letter, the Board essentially states, we will have this consultation now and another when the ODP is complete. With that statement, I think we should pointedly discuss transparency, especially as one of the approaches that might lend itself well to SSAD is a phased or agile-like implementation. Again I apologize for the not-well-thought out blurt. I will attempt to draft a statement on behalf of the CPH for the meeting and can consult with any of you over the weekend on it. Best regards, Kurt
On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council <council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Councillors,
In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can.
For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc... <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-council-to-icann-board-22jan21-en.pdf>. The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: · Expected costs / resources; · Expected benefits; · Expected time-to-market; · Possible business risks; · Possible legal risks; · Possible reputational risks; · Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); · Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD).
Thanks. Regards, Philippe
From: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Councillors,
Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week.
This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP.
The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board.
Best regards, Philippe
From: Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org>; gnso-secs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org <mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>>; Secretary <secretary@icann.org <mailto:secretary@icann.org>>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org <mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Philippe Fouquart,
Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2.
Thank you and best regards,
Wendy Profit ICANN Board Operations Senior Manager 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Thank you Kurt. That was also my initial response to the correspondence. There appears to be a none-too-subtle gap between the Council’s request and the Board’s response. Re the ODP, has the concept/framework/guidelines/whatever been published in final form since the January webinar? I can’t seem to find it. The relevant web page<https://community.icann.org/display/ODP/Operational+Design+Phase+Home> suggests they are still processing community input. I will look at in more detail over the weekend. Cheers Tom From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Kurt Pritz via council <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Saturday, 20 February 2021 at 7:46 am To: philippe.fouquart@orange.com <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hi Philippe and everyone: I have given some thought to this but not enough and hope to have something well (or at least better) thought out by Monday. My early thinking is that: 1. The Council resolution called for a specific analysis: "Noting some of the questions surrounding the financial sustainability of SSAD and some of the concerns expressed within the different minority statements, the GNSO Council requests a consultation with the ICANN Board as part of the delivery of the GNSO Council Recommendations Report to the ICANN Board to discuss these issues, including whether a further cost-benefit analysis should be conducted before the ICANN Board considers all SSAD-related recommendations for adoption." The resolution doesn't request an "ODP"; it requests analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit. 2. The Board responded and stated, essentially, “we welcome the consultation and will create a methodology (the ODP) to address the issues raised.” 3, The Council wrote: great, here are the items we think are necessary to accomplish the analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit (and listed the items in Philipp’s email below). 4. Now Maarten has responded, "well, an ODP doesn’t cover those things." In other words, the Council did not ask for an “ODP,” it requested analysis of financial sustainability and cost-benefit. The Board invented an ODP and then said, it does not apply to the request of the Council. In addition, the comment of the Council on the ODP draft was that there be transparency throughout the ODP process. In this most recent letter, the Board essentially states, we will have this consultation now and another when the ODP is complete. With that statement, I think we should pointedly discuss transparency, especially as one of the approaches that might lend itself well to SSAD is a phased or agile-like implementation. Again I apologize for the not-well-thought out blurt. I will attempt to draft a statement on behalf of the CPH for the meeting and can consult with any of you over the weekend on it. Best regards, Kurt On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Dear Councillors, In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can. For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc.... The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: • Expected costs / resources; • Expected benefits; • Expected time-to-market; • Possible business risks; • Possible legal risks; • Possible reputational risks; • Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); • Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD). Thanks. Regards, Philippe From: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Councillors, Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week. This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP. The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board. Best regards, Philippe From: Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org>; gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org<mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>>; Secretary <secretary@icann.org<mailto:secretary@icann.org>>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org<mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Philippe Fouquart, Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2. Thank you and best regards, Wendy Profit ICANN Board Operations Senior Manager 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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Hello Tom, Kurt and everyone, The internal org team is finalizing the Operational Design Phase (ODP) paper, to take into account the feedback provided by various community groups on Version 2, which was what was circulated to the community on 18 December 2020 and outlined in the 13 January 2021 webinar. When completed, the proposed final version of the ODP paper will be shared with the Board and community, which we hope we can do as soon as feasible. As Tom notes, the wiki page he linked to contains the two versions of the paper that were circulated for community feedback, the slides used for the January webinar and a list of all the groups that provided feedback and their input. Thanks and cheers Mary From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Tom Dale via council <council@gnso.icann.org> Reply-To: Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com> Date: Friday, February 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM To: Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com>, "philippe.fouquart@orange.com" <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Thank you Kurt. That was also my initial response to the correspondence. There appears to be a none-too-subtle gap between the Council’s request and the Board’s response. Re the ODP, has the concept/framework/guidelines/whatever been published in final form since the January webinar? I can’t seem to find it. The relevant web page<https://community.icann.org/display/ODP/Operational+Design+Phase+Home> suggests they are still processing community input. I will look at in more detail over the weekend. Cheers Tom From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Kurt Pritz via council <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Saturday, 20 February 2021 at 7:46 am To: philippe.fouquart@orange.com <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hi Philippe and everyone: I have given some thought to this but not enough and hope to have something well (or at least better) thought out by Monday. My early thinking is that: 1. The Council resolution called for a specific analysis: "Noting some of the questions surrounding the financial sustainability of SSAD and some of the concerns expressed within the different minority statements, the GNSO Council requests a consultation with the ICANN Board as part of the delivery of the GNSO Council Recommendations Report to the ICANN Board to discuss these issues, including whether a further cost-benefit analysis should be conducted before the ICANN Board considers all SSAD-related recommendations for adoption." The resolution doesn't request an "ODP"; it requests analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit. 2. The Board responded and stated, essentially, “we welcome the consultation and will create a methodology (the ODP) to address the issues raised.” 3, The Council wrote: great, here are the items we think are necessary to accomplish the analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit (and listed the items in Philipp’s email below). 4. Now Maarten has responded, "well, an ODP doesn’t cover those things." In other words, the Council did not ask for an “ODP,” it requested analysis of financial sustainability and cost-benefit. The Board invented an ODP and then said, it does not apply to the request of the Council. In addition, the comment of the Council on the ODP draft was that there be transparency throughout the ODP process. In this most recent letter, the Board essentially states, we will have this consultation now and another when the ODP is complete. With that statement, I think we should pointedly discuss transparency, especially as one of the approaches that might lend itself well to SSAD is a phased or agile-like implementation. Again I apologize for the not-well-thought out blurt. I will attempt to draft a statement on behalf of the CPH for the meeting and can consult with any of you over the weekend on it. Best regards, Kurt On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Dear Councillors, In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can. For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc... [gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-council-to-icann-board-22jan21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!qCr5CMejMn1xfyh7iXKrigTCpkQpmu4sS275ZCQRhNl0WnBOJ1Kjr-7nPX90hSUv1QAVB4E$>. The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: • Expected costs / resources; • Expected benefits; • Expected time-to-market; • Possible business risks; • Possible legal risks; • Possible reputational risks; • Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); • Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD). Thanks. Regards, Philippe From: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Councillors, Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week. This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP. The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board. Best regards, Philippe From: Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org>; gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org<mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>>; Secretary <secretary@icann.org<mailto:secretary@icann.org>>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org<mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Philippe Fouquart, Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2. 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Thank you for the (prompt, as always) update Mary! TD From: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> Date: Saturday, 20 February 2021 at 8:39 am To: Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com>, Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com>, philippe.fouquart@orange.com <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hello Tom, Kurt and everyone, The internal org team is finalizing the Operational Design Phase (ODP) paper, to take into account the feedback provided by various community groups on Version 2, which was what was circulated to the community on 18 December 2020 and outlined in the 13 January 2021 webinar. When completed, the proposed final version of the ODP paper will be shared with the Board and community, which we hope we can do as soon as feasible. As Tom notes, the wiki page he linked to contains the two versions of the paper that were circulated for community feedback, the slides used for the January webinar and a list of all the groups that provided feedback and their input. Thanks and cheers Mary From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Tom Dale via council <council@gnso.icann.org> Reply-To: Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com> Date: Friday, February 19, 2021 at 4:23 PM To: Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com>, "philippe.fouquart@orange.com" <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Thank you Kurt. That was also my initial response to the correspondence. There appears to be a none-too-subtle gap between the Council’s request and the Board’s response. Re the ODP, has the concept/framework/guidelines/whatever been published in final form since the January webinar? I can’t seem to find it. The relevant web page<https://community.icann.org/display/ODP/Operational+Design+Phase+Home> suggests they are still processing community input. I will look at in more detail over the weekend. Cheers Tom From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Kurt Pritz via council <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Saturday, 20 February 2021 at 7:46 am To: philippe.fouquart@orange.com <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hi Philippe and everyone: I have given some thought to this but not enough and hope to have something well (or at least better) thought out by Monday. My early thinking is that: 1. The Council resolution called for a specific analysis: "Noting some of the questions surrounding the financial sustainability of SSAD and some of the concerns expressed within the different minority statements, the GNSO Council requests a consultation with the ICANN Board as part of the delivery of the GNSO Council Recommendations Report to the ICANN Board to discuss these issues, including whether a further cost-benefit analysis should be conducted before the ICANN Board considers all SSAD-related recommendations for adoption." The resolution doesn't request an "ODP"; it requests analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit. 2. The Board responded and stated, essentially, “we welcome the consultation and will create a methodology (the ODP) to address the issues raised.” 3, The Council wrote: great, here are the items we think are necessary to accomplish the analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit (and listed the items in Philipp’s email below). 4. Now Maarten has responded, "well, an ODP doesn’t cover those things." In other words, the Council did not ask for an “ODP,” it requested analysis of financial sustainability and cost-benefit. The Board invented an ODP and then said, it does not apply to the request of the Council. In addition, the comment of the Council on the ODP draft was that there be transparency throughout the ODP process. In this most recent letter, the Board essentially states, we will have this consultation now and another when the ODP is complete. With that statement, I think we should pointedly discuss transparency, especially as one of the approaches that might lend itself well to SSAD is a phased or agile-like implementation. Again I apologize for the not-well-thought out blurt. I will attempt to draft a statement on behalf of the CPH for the meeting and can consult with any of you over the weekend on it. Best regards, Kurt On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Dear Councillors, In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can. For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc... [gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-council-to-icann-board-22jan21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!qCr5CMejMn1xfyh7iXKrigTCpkQpmu4sS275ZCQRhNl0WnBOJ1Kjr-7nPX90hSUv1QAVB4E$>. The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: • Expected costs / resources; • Expected benefits; • Expected time-to-market; • Possible business risks; • Possible legal risks; • Possible reputational risks; • Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); • Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD). Thanks. Regards, Philippe From: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Councillors, Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week. This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP. The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board. Best regards, Philippe From: Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org>; gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org<mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>>; Secretary <secretary@icann.org<mailto:secretary@icann.org>>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org<mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Philippe Fouquart, Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2. 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Hi Philippe and everyone: In response to your requests for thoughts on the Board consultation and the letter received from the Board this past Friday, I have drafted some ideas for a statement in response. I welcome edits and questions. Given the timing, I am just sharing these same thoughts with the CPH EPDP members now also. Depending on the level of support this receives. It could be read on behalf of the Council and if not, the CPH or CPH EPDP team, and if not, just me. I hope it is clear and helpful Best regards, Kurt
On Feb 19, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Kurt.
That was also my initial response to the correspondence. There appears to be a none-too-subtle gap between the Council’s request and the Board’s response.
Re the ODP, has the concept/framework/guidelines/whatever been published in final form since the January webinar? I can’t seem to find it. The relevant web page <https://community.icann.org/display/ODP/Operational+Design+Phase+Home> suggests they are still processing community input.
I will look at in more detail over the weekend.
Cheers
Tom
From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Kurt Pritz via council <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Saturday, 20 February 2021 at 7:46 am To: philippe.fouquart@orange.com <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Hi Philippe and everyone:
I have given some thought to this but not enough and hope to have something well (or at least better) thought out by Monday.
My early thinking is that:
1. The Council resolution called for a specific analysis: "Noting some of the questions surrounding the financial sustainability of SSAD and some of the concerns expressed within the different minority statements, the GNSO Council requests a consultation with the ICANN Board as part of the delivery of the GNSO Council Recommendations Report to the ICANN Board to discuss these issues, including whether a further cost-benefit analysis should be conducted before the ICANN Board considers all SSAD-related recommendations for adoption."
The resolution doesn't request an "ODP"; it requests analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit.
2. The Board responded and stated, essentially, “we welcome the consultation and will create a methodology (the ODP) to address the issues raised.”
3, The Council wrote: great, here are the items we think are necessary to accomplish the analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit (and listed the items in Philipp’s email below).
4. Now Maarten has responded, "well, an ODP doesn’t cover those things."
In other words, the Council did not ask for an “ODP,” it requested analysis of financial sustainability and cost-benefit. The Board invented an ODP and then said, it does not apply to the request of the Council.
In addition, the comment of the Council on the ODP draft was that there be transparency throughout the ODP process. In this most recent letter, the Board essentially states, we will have this consultation now and another when the ODP is complete. With that statement, I think we should pointedly discuss transparency, especially as one of the approaches that might lend itself well to SSAD is a phased or agile-like implementation.
Again I apologize for the not-well-thought out blurt. I will attempt to draft a statement on behalf of the CPH for the meeting and can consult with any of you over the weekend on it.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Councillors,
In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can.
For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc... <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-council-to-icann-board-22jan21-en.pdf>. The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: · Expected costs / resources; · Expected benefits; · Expected time-to-market; · Possible business risks; · Possible legal risks; · Possible reputational risks; · Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); · Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD).
Thanks. Regards, Philippe
From: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Councillors,
Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week.
This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP.
The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board.
Best regards, Philippe
From: Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org>; gnso-secs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org <mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>>; Secretary <secretary@icann.org <mailto:secretary@icann.org>>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org <mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Philippe Fouquart,
Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2.
Thank you and best regards,
Wendy Profit ICANN Board Operations Senior Manager 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Thank you Kurt. I support the points made in your draft. In my view they support the intent of the Council Resolution and points made in subsequent correspondence between Board and Council. Regards Tom From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Kurt Pritz via council <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Monday, 22 February 2021 at 8:46 am To: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org>, philippe.fouquart@orange.com <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hi Philippe and everyone: In response to your requests for thoughts on the Board consultation and the letter received from the Board this past Friday, I have drafted some ideas for a statement in response. I welcome edits and questions. Given the timing, I am just sharing these same thoughts with the CPH EPDP members now also. Depending on the level of support this receives. It could be read on behalf of the Council and if not, the CPH or CPH EPDP team, and if not, just me. I hope it is clear and helpful Best regards, Kurt
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Thank you Kurt for fully laying out the arguments and doing a better job of synthesizing Council's and Board's writings as well as undergird with the details how my concerns inre risk pricing could inform a more fulsome cost/benefit analysis and thusly, a fit-for-purpose ODP. I can support all the points you made. Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 4:46 PM Kurt Pritz via council < council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Hi Philippe and everyone:
In response to your requests for thoughts on the Board consultation and the letter received from the Board this past Friday, I have drafted some ideas for a statement in response.
I welcome edits and questions.
Given the timing, I am just sharing these same thoughts with the CPH EPDP members now also.
Depending on the level of support this receives. It could be read on behalf of the Council and if not, the CPH or CPH EPDP team, and if not, just me.
I hope it is clear and helpful
Best regards,
Kurt
On Feb 19, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Kurt.
That was also my initial response to the correspondence. There appears to be a none-too-subtle gap between the Council’s request and the Board’s response.
Re the ODP, has the concept/framework/guidelines/whatever been published in final form since the January webinar? I can’t seem to find it. The relevant web page <https://community.icann.org/display/ODP/Operational+Design+Phase+Home> suggests they are still processing community input.
I will look at in more detail over the weekend.
Cheers
Tom
*From: *council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Kurt Pritz via council <council@gnso.icann.org> *Date: *Saturday, 20 February 2021 at 7:46 am *To: *philippe.fouquart@orange.com <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> *Cc: *council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hi Philippe and everyone:
I have given some thought to this but not enough and hope to have something well (or at least better) thought out by Monday.
My early thinking is that:
1. The Council resolution called for a specific analysis: "Noting some of the questions surrounding the financial sustainability of SSAD and some of the concerns expressed within the different minority statements, the GNSO Council requests a consultation with the ICANN Board as part of the delivery of the GNSO Council Recommendations Report to the ICANN Board to discuss these issues, including whether a further cost-benefit analysis should be conducted before the ICANN Board considers all SSAD-related recommendations for adoption."
The resolution doesn't request an "ODP"; it requests analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit.
2. The Board responded and stated, essentially, “we welcome the consultation and will create a methodology (the ODP) to address the issues raised.”
3, The Council wrote: great, here are the items we think are necessary to accomplish the analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit (and listed the items in Philipp’s email below).
4. Now Maarten has responded, "well, an ODP doesn’t cover those things."
In other words, the Council did not ask for an “ODP,” it requested analysis of financial sustainability and cost-benefit. The Board invented an ODP and then said, it does not apply to the request of the Council.
In addition, the comment of the Council on the ODP draft was that there be transparency throughout the ODP process. In this most recent letter, the Board essentially states, we will have this consultation now and another when the ODP is complete. With that statement, I think we should pointedly discuss transparency, especially as one of the approaches that might lend itself well to SSAD is a phased or agile-like implementation.
Again I apologize for the not-well-thought out blurt. I will attempt to draft a statement on behalf of the CPH for the meeting and can consult with any of you over the weekend on it.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council < council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Councillors,
In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can.
For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc... . The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: · Expected costs / resources; · Expected benefits; · Expected time-to-market; · Possible business risks; · Possible legal risks; · Possible reputational risks; · Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); · Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD).
Thanks. Regards, Philippe
*From:* FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM *To:* council@gnso.icann.org *Subject:* FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Councillors,
Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week.
This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP.
The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board.
Best regards, Philippe
*From:* Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org <gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM *To:* gnso-chairs@icann.org; gnso-secs@icann.org *Cc:* Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>; Secretary < secretary@icann.org>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org> *Subject:* [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2
Dear Philippe Fouquart,
Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2.
Thank you and best regards,
Wendy Profit ICANN Board Operations Senior Manager 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094
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Thanks Kurt, and thanks everyone for their views on this. Apologies for belated answer. Rather than approaching this with a statement upfront I'd suggest we use this opportunity to clarify what underpins the elements in the board's letter regarding the financial assessment being made already. This in essence will serve the purpose of whats intended in the points you circulated, which can then be shared and updated with the board by our next call during icann70. Regards, Philippe -------- Message d'origine -------- De : Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com> Date : 21/02/2021 22:47 (GMT+01:00) À : council@gnso.icann.org, FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> Objet : Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hi Philippe and everyone: In response to your requests for thoughts on the Board consultation and the letter received from the Board this past Friday, I have drafted some ideas for a statement in response. I welcome edits and questions. Given the timing, I am just sharing these same thoughts with the CPH EPDP members now also. Depending on the level of support this receives. It could be read on behalf of the Council and if not, the CPH or CPH EPDP team, and if not, just me. I hope it is clear and helpful Best regards, Kurt On Feb 19, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Tom Dale <tomwdale@gmail.com<mailto:tomwdale@gmail.com>> wrote: Thank you Kurt. That was also my initial response to the correspondence. There appears to be a none-too-subtle gap between the Council’s request and the Board’s response. Re the ODP, has the concept/framework/guidelines/whatever been published in final form since the January webinar? I can’t seem to find it. The relevant web page<https://community.icann.org/display/ODP/Operational+Design+Phase+Home> suggests they are still processing community input. I will look at in more detail over the weekend. Cheers Tom From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Kurt Pritz via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Date: Saturday, 20 February 2021 at 7:46 am To: philippe.fouquart@orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com> <philippe.fouquart@orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Hi Philippe and everyone: I have given some thought to this but not enough and hope to have something well (or at least better) thought out by Monday. My early thinking is that: 1. The Council resolution called for a specific analysis: "Noting some of the questions surrounding the financial sustainability of SSAD and some of the concerns expressed within the different minority statements, the GNSO Council requests a consultation with the ICANN Board as part of the delivery of the GNSO Council Recommendations Report to the ICANN Board to discuss these issues, including whether a further cost-benefit analysis should be conducted before the ICANN Board considers all SSAD-related recommendations for adoption." The resolution doesn't request an "ODP"; it requests analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit. 2. The Board responded and stated, essentially, “we welcome the consultation and will create a methodology (the ODP) to address the issues raised.” 3, The Council wrote: great, here are the items we think are necessary to accomplish the analysis of sustainability and cost-benefit (and listed the items in Philipp’s email below). 4. Now Maarten has responded, "well, an ODP doesn’t cover those things." In other words, the Council did not ask for an “ODP,” it requested analysis of financial sustainability and cost-benefit. The Board invented an ODP and then said, it does not apply to the request of the Council. In addition, the comment of the Council on the ODP draft was that there be transparency throughout the ODP process. In this most recent letter, the Board essentially states, we will have this consultation now and another when the ODP is complete. With that statement, I think we should pointedly discuss transparency, especially as one of the approaches that might lend itself well to SSAD is a phased or agile-like implementation. Again I apologize for the not-well-thought out blurt. I will attempt to draft a statement on behalf of the CPH for the meeting and can consult with any of you over the weekend on it. Best regards, Kurt On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Dear Councillors, In preparation for our call with the board on Monday, please have a thought the specific aspects you would like to raise in relation to the launch of the ODP for the SSAD, and share them with the list if you can. For example, as it relates to the Maarten’s letter below, there seems to be a difference of appreciation on the aspects which the operational assessment is expected to cover, as identified in Council’s previous letter https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/gnso-counc.... The Council suggests that the operational impact assessment would cover, at a minimum, the following aspects: • Expected costs / resources; • Expected benefits; • Expected time-to-market; • Possible business risks; • Possible legal risks; • Possible reputational risks; • Implementation considerations (e.g., outsourcing or phased deployment of the solution); • Opportunity Costs (e.g., what projects, if any, would be put on hold or not move forward to implement the SSAD). Thanks. Regards, Philippe From: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: FW: [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Councillors, Please note the attached response on our EPDP phase 2 letter to the board in advance of our call next week. This is mostly relative to how we approach the discussion, but I’ll quote the part that deals with the remit of this ODP. The Board also would like to remind the Council that the purpose of the ODP is to assess the operational impact of the SSAD-related policy recommendations on ICANN org and to inform the Board of these impacts prior to the Board's consideration of the policy recommendations. The ODP is not intended to determine whether the concept of the SSAD accounts for the cost and effort required to implement the proposed system. We believe this specific question has been addressed by the Council in approving the recommendations and forwarding them to the Board. Best regards, Philippe From: Gnso-chairs [mailto:gnso-chairs-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 AM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org>; gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Cc: Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman@board.icann.org<mailto:maarten.botterman@board.icann.org>>; Secretary <secretary@icann.org<mailto:secretary@icann.org>>; Correspondence <Correspondence@icann.org<mailto:Correspondence@icann.org>>; Board Ops Team <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart - EPDP on the Temp Spec for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2 Dear Philippe Fouquart, Please find the attached letter from Maarten Botterman regarding the EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Phase 2. 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Carlton Samuels
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Kurt Pritz
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Mary Wong
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philippe.fouquart@orange.com
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Tom Dale