Public Meeting and the use of weekends
All, I am a big supporter of not repeating the sins of the past (probably because I make so many of them). A few points around the public meeting; - What are we doing to ensure we are not debating wording on the fly at the meeting? - Are we going to make a rule that all motions MUST be locked down prior to the meeting? - If so, have we allowed time to dedicate towards this? - How are we catering for public involvement in the meeting itself (this has always baffled me)? Thanks. Adrian Kinderis
See my comments inserted Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. März 2011 11:19 An: council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: [council] Public Meeting and the use of weekends All, I am a big supporter of not repeating the sins of the past (probably because I make so many of them). A few points around the public meeting; - What are we doing to ensure we are not debating wording on the fly at the meeting? [WUK: ] First to me it's not a difference between "public" and phone call meetings (which are public to a certain extent, too). The public meeting shouldn't be seen as a show where perfect work is presented. It's a 2 hours working session as usual On the one hand I prefer having motions well prepared that we're able to achieve results by voting. On the other hand more and more it's going to happen that alternate motions are presented where positions of 2 sides are fixed and where we can't find majority in both houses either. In those cases I would encourage on the fly wording up to the last moment in order to find a potential compromise solution rather than going home with nothing. - Are we going to make a rule that all motions MUST be locked down prior to the meeting? [WUK: ] I'm open to discuss this (s.a.) - If so, have we allowed time to dedicate towards this? - How are we catering for public involvement in the meeting itself (this has always baffled me)? [WUK: ] We've rules which our chair is following. But we could talk about improvements. Thanks. Adrian Kinderis
In addition to talking about motions when the subjects come up, there is time on Sat (12-1) to discuss the Council motions. It is hard during the weekend to have a complete discussion as it is not until Constituency day that we really know what our groups think about them and what changes we have to have. That is always scheduled as the day before the council meeting, so as long as that continues, we will always have a semi-chaotic public Council meeting in my opinion. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: KnobenW@telekom.de [mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 06:23 AM To: adrian@ausregistry.com.au <adrian@ausregistry.com.au>; council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: AW: [council] Public Meeting and the use of weekends See my comments inserted Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. März 2011 11:19 An: council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: [council] Public Meeting and the use of weekends All, I am a big supporter of not repeating the sins of the past (probably because I make so many of them). A few points around the public meeting; - What are we doing to ensure we are not debating wording on the fly at the meeting? [WUK: ] First to me it's not a difference between "public" and phone call meetings (which are public to a certain extent, too). The public meeting shouldn't be seen as a show where perfect work is presented. It's a 2 hours working session as usual On the one hand I prefer having motions well prepared that we're able to achieve results by voting. On the other hand more and more it's going to happen that alternate motions are presented where positions of 2 sides are fixed and where we can't find majority in both houses either. In those cases I would encourage on the fly wording up to the last moment in order to find a potential compromise solution rather than going home with nothing. - Are we going to make a rule that all motions MUST be locked down prior to the meeting? [WUK: ] I'm open to discuss this (s.a.) - If so, have we allowed time to dedicate towards this? - How are we catering for public involvement in the meeting itself (this has always baffled me)? [WUK: ] We've rules which our chair is following. But we could talk about improvements. Thanks. Adrian Kinderis
I agree. It would be useful to get a clearer picture of wrt the motions over the weekend to avoid confusion at the public meeting. Sincerely, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 5680760 / 5685276 / 5655025 Fax: +92 21 5655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:08:29 To: 'KnobenW@telekom.de'<KnobenW@telekom.de>; 'adrian@ausregistry.com.au'<adrian@ausregistry.com.au>; 'council@gnso.icann.org'<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: AW: [council] Public Meeting and the use of weekends In addition to talking about motions when the subjects come up, there is time on Sat (12-1) to discuss the Council motions. It is hard during the weekend to have a complete discussion as it is not until Constituency day that we really know what our groups think about them and what changes we have to have. That is always scheduled as the day before the council meeting, so as long as that continues, we will always have a semi-chaotic public Council meeting in my opinion. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: KnobenW@telekom.de [mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 06:23 AM To: adrian@ausregistry.com.au <adrian@ausregistry.com.au>; council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: AW: [council] Public Meeting and the use of weekends See my comments inserted Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. März 2011 11:19 An: council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: [council] Public Meeting and the use of weekends All, I am a big supporter of not repeating the sins of the past (probably because I make so many of them). A few points around the public meeting; - What are we doing to ensure we are not debating wording on the fly at the meeting? [WUK: ] First to me it's not a difference between "public" and phone call meetings (which are public to a certain extent, too). The public meeting shouldn't be seen as a show where perfect work is presented. It's a 2 hours working session as usual On the one hand I prefer having motions well prepared that we're able to achieve results by voting. On the other hand more and more it's going to happen that alternate motions are presented where positions of 2 sides are fixed and where we can't find majority in both houses either. In those cases I would encourage on the fly wording up to the last moment in order to find a potential compromise solution rather than going home with nothing. - Are we going to make a rule that all motions MUST be locked down prior to the meeting? [WUK: ] I'm open to discuss this (s.a.) - If so, have we allowed time to dedicate towards this? - How are we catering for public involvement in the meeting itself (this has always baffled me)? [WUK: ] We've rules which our chair is following. But we could talk about improvements. Thanks. Adrian Kinderis
Good questions Adrian. One answer is that we have introduced a slot (12 to 13 Saturday) on our weekend agenda specifically to discuss motions. This may help. Thanks, Stéphane Le 10 mars 2011 à 11:19, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
All,
I am a big supporter of not repeating the sins of the past (probably because I make so many of them).
A few points around the public meeting;
- What are we doing to ensure we are not debating wording on the fly at the meeting? - Are we going to make a rule that all motions MUST be locked down prior to the meeting? - If so, have we allowed time to dedicate towards this? - How are we catering for public involvement in the meeting itself (this has always baffled me)?
Thanks.
Adrian Kinderis
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Adrian Kinderis -
KnobenW＠telekom.de -
Neuman, Jeff -
Stéphane Van Gelder -
Zahid Jamil