RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP
Hopefully the clarification about my comment will help. Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 9:43 am To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
A number of people in my world interpreted the motion and intro text to mean it had GAC support. As for Stephane�s comments, I hope not. Stephane? Unfortunately, however, he�s identified in the article as being GNSO Council Chair so people reading the article will likely assume that he was speaking for (or with the endorsement of) the Council. om: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:20 AM To: Rosette, Kristina Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP No one ever said the GAC endorsed the RrSG motion. And I doubt highly that Stephane presented his comments as the view of the Council.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 8:37 am To: "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org>
"The GNSO's van Gelder concluded that brands must ensure that there is sufficient demand before proceeding with their application.� 'Don't forget the sales channel and the marketing part of the TLD.� You must butter up the registrars,' he said." � I don't believe I got that memo.� Perhaps it got lost along with the memo to the GAC seeking its endorsement of the RrSG motion . . . � � �
Kristina, I'm as disappointed in that press report you have produced, as I am that you could think I would say something like that as GNSO Chair… My first sentence of that day, which of course was not quoted (Managing IP never spoke to me or asked to interview me - I did not even know they were in attendance), but which Zahid, David and others who were in the room can confirm, was that I was not speaking as GNSO Chair but as general manager of INDOM. I understand that in the current climate of mistrust that some seem intent on maintaining within the Council, I need to make such clarifications every time I say anything to anyone, anywhere, and so will continue to do so because that is what the role of Chair demands. However I don't share your view that some reading that article would think I was speaking as GNSO Chair. Quite the contrary, most people seem to clearly understand that even though I am the current GNSO Chair, in my normal working day, I represent the company I work for and not anyone, or anything else. Stéphane Le 3 oct. 2011 à 16:51, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Hopefully the clarification about my comment will help.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 9:43 am To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
A number of people in my world interpreted the motion and intro text to mean it had GAC support.  As for Stephane�s comments, I hope not. Stephane?Ã≠ Unfortunately, however, he�s identified in the article as being GNSO Council Chair so people reading the article will likely assume that he was speaking for (or with the endorsement of) the Council. om: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:20 AM To: Rosette, Kristina Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP  No one ever said the GAC endorsed the RrSG motion. And I doubt highly that Stephane presented his comments as the view of the Council.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 8:37 am To: "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org>
"The GNSO's van Gelder concluded that brands must ensure that there is sufficient demand before proceeding with their application.Ã∞� 'Don't forget the sales channel and the marketing part of the TLD.Ã∞� You must butter up the registrars,' he said." Ã∞� I don't believe I got that memo.Ã∞� Perhaps it got lost along with the memo to the GAC seeking its endorsement of the RrSG motion . . . Ã∞� Ã∞� Ã∞�Â
Its true that Stephane clarified before speaking that he was not speaking on behalf of GNSO or as its Chair. Sincerely, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 5680760 / 5685276 / 5655025 Fax: +92 21 5655026 www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of Jamil & Jamil, Barristers-at-Law, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of Jamil & Jamil is prohibited. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:49:00 To: Tim Ruiz<tim@godaddy.com> Cc: <krosette@cov.com>; <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP Kristina, I'm as disappointed in that press report you have produced, as I am that you could think I would say something like that as GNSO Chair… My first sentence of that day, which of course was not quoted (Managing IP never spoke to me or asked to interview me - I did not even know they were in attendance), but which Zahid, David and others who were in the room can confirm, was that I was not speaking as GNSO Chair but as general manager of INDOM. I understand that in the current climate of mistrust that some seem intent on maintaining within the Council, I need to make such clarifications every time I say anything to anyone, anywhere, and so will continue to do so because that is what the role of Chair demands. However I don't share your view that some reading that article would think I was speaking as GNSO Chair. Quite the contrary, most people seem to clearly understand that even though I am the current GNSO Chair, in my normal working day, I represent the company I work for and not anyone, or anything else. Stéphane Le 3 oct. 2011 à 16:51, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Hopefully the clarification about my comment will help.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 9:43 am To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
A number of people in my world interpreted the motion and intro text to mean it had GAC support.  As for Stephane�s comments, I hope not. Stephane?Ã≠ Unfortunately, however, he�s identified in the article as being GNSO Council Chair so people reading the article will likely assume that he was speaking for (or with the endorsement of) the Council. om: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:20 AM To: Rosette, Kristina Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP  No one ever said the GAC endorsed the RrSG motion. And I doubt highly that Stephane presented his comments as the view of the Council.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 8:37 am To: "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org>
"The GNSO's van Gelder concluded that brands must ensure that there is sufficient demand before proceeding with their application.Ã∞� 'Don't forget the sales channel and the marketing part of the TLD.Ã∞� You must butter up the registrars,' he said." Ã∞� I don't believe I got that memo.Ã∞� Perhaps it got lost along with the memo to the GAC seeking its endorsement of the RrSG motion . . . Ã∞� Ã∞� Ã∞�Â
Stephane, Thank you for confirming. The article identifies you only as GNSO Council Chair. That is certainly a point worth taking up with the publication. The fact of the matter is, though, that when any GNSO Council Chair (regardless of who or when) is invited to speak at an event due in whole or part because of that title, it will likely be very difficult to ensure that all of that person's remarks are reported on a "speaking in a personal capacity basis." The persons who contacted me about the article did not know that you were speaking in a personal capacity and, as they do not spend as much time in ICANNland as we do, don't know who you are other than GNSO Council Chair (e.g., which company you're associated with). As for mistrust within Council, let's save that topic for another time. K -----Original Message----- From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:49 AM To: Tim Ruiz Cc: Rosette, Kristina; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP Kristina, I'm as disappointed in that press report you have produced, as I am that you could think I would say something like that as GNSO Chair… My first sentence of that day, which of course was not quoted (Managing IP never spoke to me or asked to interview me - I did not even know they were in attendance), but which Zahid, David and others who were in the room can confirm, was that I was not speaking as GNSO Chair but as general manager of INDOM. I understand that in the current climate of mistrust that some seem intent on maintaining within the Council, I need to make such clarifications every time I say anything to anyone, anywhere, and so will continue to do so because that is what the role of Chair demands. However I don't share your view that some reading that article would think I was speaking as GNSO Chair. Quite the contrary, most people seem to clearly understand that even though I am the current GNSO Chair, in my normal working day, I represent the company I work for and not anyone, or anything else. Stéphane Le 3 oct. 2011 à 16:51, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Hopefully the clarification about my comment will help.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 9:43 am To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
A number of people in my world interpreted the motion and intro text to mean it had GAC support.  As for Stephane�s comments, I hope not. Stephane?Ã≠ Unfortunately, however, he�s identified in the article as being GNSO Council Chair so people reading the article will likely assume that he was speaking for (or with the endorsement of) the Council. om: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:20 AM To: Rosette, Kristina Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP  No one ever said the GAC endorsed the RrSG motion. And I doubt highly that Stephane presented his comments as the view of the Council.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 8:37 am To: "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org>
"The GNSO's van Gelder concluded that brands must ensure that there is sufficient demand before proceeding with their application.Ã∞� 'Don't forget the sales channel and the marketing part of the TLD.Ã∞� You must butter up the registrars,' he said." Ã∞� I don't believe I got that memo.Ã∞� Perhaps it got lost along with the memo to the GAC seeking its endorsement of the RrSG motion . . . Ã∞� Ã∞� Ã∞�Â
I think the difficulty here is that SVG perhaps has to understand that he will ALWAYS be seen as the Chair. He may need to accept the fact that this may retard his abilities to be represented for fear of it being a reflection of his position, no matter how much he tells journo's otherwise. I think it is part of the acceptance of the Chair position. It certainly is with ICANN. Steve Crocker will now NOT be able to speak regarding as a representative of his company. It will always be as ICANN Chair, whether he likes it or not. I think Bruce Tonkin does this well. Just something that SVG will have to be careful of IMO. Thanks. Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 6:15 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder; Tim Ruiz Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP Stephane, Thank you for confirming. The article identifies you only as GNSO Council Chair. That is certainly a point worth taking up with the publication. The fact of the matter is, though, that when any GNSO Council Chair (regardless of who or when) is invited to speak at an event due in whole or part because of that title, it will likely be very difficult to ensure that all of that person's remarks are reported on a "speaking in a personal capacity basis." The persons who contacted me about the article did not know that you were speaking in a personal capacity and, as they do not spend as much time in ICANNland as we do, don't know who you are other than GNSO Council Chair (e.g., which company you're associated with). As for mistrust within Council, let's save that topic for another time. K -----Original Message----- From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:49 AM To: Tim Ruiz Cc: Rosette, Kristina; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP Kristina, I'm as disappointed in that press report you have produced, as I am that you could think I would say something like that as GNSO Chair… My first sentence of that day, which of course was not quoted (Managing IP never spoke to me or asked to interview me - I did not even know they were in attendance), but which Zahid, David and others who were in the room can confirm, was that I was not speaking as GNSO Chair but as general manager of INDOM. I understand that in the current climate of mistrust that some seem intent on maintaining within the Council, I need to make such clarifications every time I say anything to anyone, anywhere, and so will continue to do so because that is what the role of Chair demands. However I don't share your view that some reading that article would think I was speaking as GNSO Chair. Quite the contrary, most people seem to clearly understand that even though I am the current GNSO Chair, in my normal working day, I represent the company I work for and not anyone, or anything else. Stéphane Le 3 oct. 2011 à 16:51, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Hopefully the clarification about my comment will help.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 9:43 am To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
A number of people in my world interpreted the motion and intro text to mean it had GAC support.  As for Stephane�s comments, I hope not. Stephane?Ã≠ Unfortunately, however, he�s identified in the article as being GNSO Council Chair so people reading the article will likely assume that he was speaking for (or with the endorsement of) the Council. om: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:20 AM To: Rosette, Kristina Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP  No one ever said the GAC endorsed the RrSG motion. And I doubt highly that Stephane presented his comments as the view of the Council.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 8:37 am To: "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org>
"The GNSO's van Gelder concluded that brands must ensure that there is sufficient demand before proceeding with their application.Ã∞� 'Don't forget the sales channel and the marketing part of the TLD.Ã∞� You must butter up the registrars,' he said." Ã∞� I don't believe I got that memo.Ã∞� Perhaps it got lost along with the memo to the GAC seeking its endorsement of the RrSG motion . . . Ã∞� Ã∞� Ã∞�Â
Dear Stephane, With my deep experience over managing media guys there are very few recommendations I can friendly suggest: 1. Media will always say what they want to say. So if you won't to see your name in the article, don't show up within 100 meters from the place they are hunting for information; 2. As they will always say what they want to say, it really doesn't matter what you said originally for the readers; 3. Never try to come back to explain that it wasn't you or you meant something different, it will make the picture even worth. Best regards, --andrei -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stephane Van Gelder Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 7:49 PM To: Tim Ruiz Cc: krosette@cov.com; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP Kristina, I'm as disappointed in that press report you have produced, as I am that you could think I would say something like that as GNSO Chair… My first sentence of that day, which of course was not quoted (Managing IP never spoke to me or asked to interview me - I did not even know they were in attendance), but which Zahid, David and others who were in the room can confirm, was that I was not speaking as GNSO Chair but as general manager of INDOM. I understand that in the current climate of mistrust that some seem intent on maintaining within the Council, I need to make such clarifications every time I say anything to anyone, anywhere, and so will continue to do so because that is what the role of Chair demands. However I don't share your view that some reading that article would think I was speaking as GNSO Chair. Quite the contrary, most people seem to clearly understand that even though I am the current GNSO Chair, in my normal working day, I represent the company I work for and not anyone, or anything else. Stéphane Le 3 oct. 2011 à 16:51, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Hopefully the clarification about my comment will help.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 9:43 am To: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
A number of people in my world interpreted the motion and intro text to mean it had GAC support.  As for Stephane�s comments, I hope not. Stephane?Ã≠ Unfortunately, however, he�s identified in the article as being GNSO Council Chair so people reading the article will likely assume that he was speaking for (or with the endorsement of) the Council. om: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:20 AM To: Rosette, Kristina Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP  No one ever said the GAC endorsed the RrSG motion. And I doubt highly that Stephane presented his comments as the view of the Council.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Our Chair's quote in Managing Internet IP From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 8:37 am To: "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org>
"The GNSO's van Gelder concluded that brands must ensure that there is sufficient demand before proceeding with their application.Ã∞� 'Don't forget the sales channel and the marketing part of the TLD.Ã∞� You must butter up the registrars,' he said." Ã∞� I don't believe I got that memo.Ã∞� Perhaps it got lost along with the memo to the GAC seeking its endorsement of the RrSG motion . . . Ã∞� Ã∞� Ã∞�Â
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