finalizing motions in advance of voting on them
I'd to request that whatever motions are up for counsel vote are finalized at least several days in advance of voting on them, meaning no last minute amendments - friendly or not. I'm concerned about the tendency to amend the motion during the public counsel meeting and we end up wasting GNSO public forum time crafting language on the fly (and this does not instill confidence in the counsel from the community). Besides appearing silly, and more importantly, last minute amendments do not give us a chance to discuss the motion that will be voted on with our constituencies. It is important that we know exactly what will be voted on in advance so we can get key feedback from our constituencies. Thanks, Robin IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@ipjustice.org
I fully support this call
I'd to request that whatever motions are up for counsel vote are finalized at least several days in advance of voting on them, meaning no last minute amendments - friendly or not.
I'm concerned about the tendency to amend the motion during the public counsel meeting and we end up wasting GNSO public forum time crafting language on the fly (and this does not instill confidence in the counsel from the community).
Besides appearing silly, and more importantly, last minute amendments do not give us a chance to discuss the motion that will be voted on with our constituencies. It is important that we know exactly what will be voted on in advance so we can get key feedback from our constituencies.
Thanks, Robin
IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@ipjustice.org
Couldn't this paralize us? I agree if there is a material change where we need to go back to our constituencies. Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of philip.sheppard@aim.be Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:46 AM To: Robin Gross Cc: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: Re: [council] finalizing motions in advance of voting on them
I fully support this call
I'd to request that whatever motions are up for counsel vote are finalized at least several days in advance of voting on them, meaning no last minute amendments - friendly or not.
I'm concerned about the tendency to amend the motion during the public counsel meeting and we end up wasting GNSO public forum time crafting language on the fly (and this does not instill confidence in the counsel from the community).
Besides appearing silly, and more importantly, last minute amendments do not give us a chance to discuss the motion that will be voted on with our constituencies. It is important that we know exactly what will be voted on in advance so we can get key feedback from our constituencies.
Thanks, Robin
IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@ipjustice.org
It isn't always clear what is a "material" change. What may be a "material" change to one constituency may be "immaterial" to another. And even the crafting of immaterial changes takes up public forum time. I don't think it paralizes us because it only means we have to put the vote off to the next meeting if there will be changes to it in the days before the vote. And actually it would give us an incentive to get our act together sooner. I think the lack of confidence in the GNSO from word-smithing on the fly far outweighs the inconvenience of putting off a vote to the next meeting. Robin On Jun 26, 2008, at 4:32 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
Couldn't this paralize us? I agree if there is a material change where we need to go back to our constituencies.
Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of philip.sheppard@aim.be Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:46 AM To: Robin Gross Cc: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: Re: [council] finalizing motions in advance of voting on them
I fully support this call
I'd to request that whatever motions are up for counsel vote are finalized at least several days in advance of voting on them, meaning no last minute amendments - friendly or not.
I'm concerned about the tendency to amend the motion during the public counsel meeting and we end up wasting GNSO public forum time crafting language on the fly (and this does not instill confidence in the counsel from the community).
Besides appearing silly, and more importantly, last minute amendments do not give us a chance to discuss the motion that will be voted on with our constituencies. It is important that we know exactly what will be voted on in advance so we can get key feedback from our constituencies.
Thanks, Robin
IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@ipjustice.org
IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@ipjustice.org
It seems to me that it up to each of us as Constituency representatives to make that decision and request delay. That is what we in the RyC have been doing for years. You don't think that adding a month to many motions and maybe more than one month is inefficient? Chuck ________________________________ From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin@ipjustice.org] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:48 AM To: Gomes, Chuck Cc: philip.sheppard@aim.be; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] finalizing motions in advance of voting on them It isn't always clear what is a "material" change. What may be a "material" change to one constituency may be "immaterial" to another. And even the crafting of immaterial changes takes up public forum time. I don't think it paralizes us because it only means we have to put the vote off to the next meeting if there will be changes to it in the days before the vote. And actually it would give us an incentive to get our act together sooner. I think the lack of confidence in the GNSO from word-smithing on the fly far outweighs the inconvenience of putting off a vote to the next meeting. Robin On Jun 26, 2008, at 4:32 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote: Couldn't this paralize us? I agree if there is a material change where we need to go back to our constituencies. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of philip.sheppard@aim.be Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:46 AM To: Robin Gross Cc: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: Re: [council] finalizing motions in advance of voting on them I fully support this call I'd to request that whatever motions are up for counsel vote are finalized at least several days in advance of voting on them, meaning no last minute amendments - friendly or not. I'm concerned about the tendency to amend the motion during the public counsel meeting and we end up wasting GNSO public forum time crafting language on the fly (and this does not instill confidence in the counsel from the community). Besides appearing silly, and more importantly, last minute amendments do not give us a chance to discuss the motion that will be voted on with our constituencies. It is important that we know exactly what will be voted on in advance so we can get key feedback from our constituencies. Thanks, Robin IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@ipjustice.org IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director 1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451 w: http://www.ipjustice.org e: robin@ipjustice.org
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