Dear All, I am only thinking aloud and technically I relish all tunable parameters in large dynamical systems like what ICANN has been very admirably working with. The specific case in point in the 17 November meeting has been the "opt - out" choice. Being deterministic in large systems give a veneer of assurance that things are not likely to slip into chaotic state. No guarantee as one who is hell bent in breaking in will eventually do so. Also, homogeneity is a better recipe for chaotic conditions. Hence, where possible I would strongly urge to include choice such as the one indicated in the attached screen - shot. This way we get a voluntary buy-in from a core stakeholder segment. Things become managerial and what is being looked for is a numane approach in dealing with conditions that have gone awry. My humble submission: When things go awry, Ethics First and Legal Next Sincerely, Gopal T V 0 9840121302 https://vidwan.inflibnet.ac.in/profile/57545 https://www.facebook.com/gopal.tadepalli PS: I am sorry if using the screenshots of the Registrar and Registrant screens is not permissible in ICANN presentations. I have not seen any in the past three years from within ICANN. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. T V Gopal Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering College of Engineering Anna University Chennai - 600 025, INDIA Ph : (Off) 22351723 Extn. 3340 (Res) 24454753 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On 2021-11-18 02:55, John McCormac via CPWG wrote:
On 09/11/2021 17:44, Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG wrote:
Dear all,
At the TPR WG Meeting on Nov 9, 2021, the 60-days locks were discussed. The present policy – and the majority of Registry Operators, have a 60-days transfer lock after the initial registration of a domain name AND a 60-days lock after a successful inter-registrar transfer.
Based on the discussion in the TPR WG, I would like to hear the CPWG opinion by asking the following:
Following up on today's meeting:
1. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after the initial registration of a domain name?
Yes. This is still important to deal with issues of reversed creditcard charges and non-payment. While payments systems have improved, this 60 day lock is still a defence against an orchestrated attack using stolen payment details.
2. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after a successful transfer of a domain name?
Yes. This is one way of drastically reducing the chances of success for domain name theft. Domain name thieves generally use multiple registrars to make it difficult for the registrant to recover their stolen domain name.
3. Could the above be optional?
No. And ICANN Compliance should proactively enforce it.
4. Should the Registrant has the option to opt-out?
No. Do the people who came up with the proposal of making it opt-out for registrants actually understand the issue of domain name theft/hijacking and how the thieves transfer a stolen domain name from registrar to registrar to make it difficult for registrants to recover their domain name?
On a related issue that came up in the call, Domain Tasting is very different from registrars simply offering time limited promotions.
Domain Tasting involved registrars simply being set up for the purposes of tasting and deleting millions of domain names in the five day Add Grace Period. This exploitation of the AGP spread to retail registrars. Over approximately five years, over 1 billion (1,000,000,000) .COM domain names were tasted. The ICANN registry reports were flawed and incomplete at the time and remained so until 2014. Those of us who were tracking the issue at a domain name level measured it in worn out harddrives.
It was only when legal action was taken against a few key registrars and Google announced that it would not monetise registrations within their five day AGP period that Domain Tasting took a near fatal hit. ICANN was stuck in a procastination loop while Domain Tasting was happening but it was convinced to eventually do the right thing by adding a "restocking" fee for new registations deleted within the AGP. When that was implemented, large-scale Domain Tasting stopped. Domain Tasting has nothing to do with the 60 day locks.
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