In my view, Jacob has always had a problem understanding what ICANN and particularly At-Large is about. Way back in 2007, Jacob was on ICANN staff and was recruiting ALSes into At-Large. Here is an extract from a much longer 2007 e-mail. The first line quoted is from Jean Armor Polly (who was just recently inducted into the Internet Hall of Fame, and then a just-departed ALAC member). The 2nd is from Jacob.
You need to know that ICANN has a very narrow, rather geeky, mission.
I thought that ICANN's mission was what the Internet Community wants it to be. I also think people need to move beyond discouraging participation on the basis of a restricted mission. I won't quote the response (from John Levine, also a just departed ALAC member) quoting the Bylaws and pointing out that we CANNOT make the mission whatever we want it to be. In this case, I believe he has strongly mis-characterized what At-Large is about. Alan At 05/01/2020 09:58 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote: Thanks Maureen. Jacob has quickly fallen into the clutches of Godwin's Law. Reductio ad Nazium. The At-Large mandate is specifically NOT to represent organizations but instead individual end users. There is, in fact, an entity within the ICANN community which DOES represent the interests of not for profit organizations, NPOC. I had a long and involved conversation with Jacob, at Evan's behest and was coming around to some of his points and and we concluded he would make other introductions. Comparing us sticking to our remit to being antisemitic is beyond the pale! We need to find our own way on this, with a focus on individual end users, and perhaps some concerns over organizational practices, but we owe SAVEDOTORG absolutely nothing and, after that op-ed, we should tell them to go to Hell. Just my two cents. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020, 8:53 PM To: Maureen Hilyard Cc: ALAC; ALAC Members; CPWG; ALT-Plus Subject: Re: [ALAC] [CPWG] PIR and Dot Org Dear Maureen, Just a thought, historically, when the DotMobi TLD was created, a formal DotMobi liaison with At-Large was mandated. Others will have details. Best wishes, Olivier Sent from my iPad On 6 Jan 2020, at 01:40, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_acti... Well that is certainly forcing our hand to take some action. But with arrows flying in all sorts of directions it has been difficult to know which one to follow, and I note there has been a break in the conversations on this topic. Interesting and very timely that Roberto raised the .org issue again in an earlier email today. I started a response until JZ reminded us that the thread was about .com I agree with Roberto's approach - that we should focus on our role as the voice of At-Large end-users and offer some creative advice on how we might influence the behaviour of PIR and any future decisions they make that will impact on .org end-users. PIR/Ethos already presented a webinar and said all the right things.. but how can we be assured that they will stick to what they said that they would do in the future? Who will monitor this on behalf of ordinary end-users? Who will be represented on the Stewardship Council? At the same time we may also need to advise the ICANN Board about how they might deal with the ICANN-PIR/Ethos contract - especially Roberto's recommendation of some commitment from ICANN that ethical behaviour towards .org end-users will be built into it. We are aware that the Board is looking into every legal issue relating to how they can deal with matters that are being raised by letters that are flowing their way. We don't need to add more of the same. While i think it might be seen to be a simplistic approach, I believe that we should stick to what our job is and focus on advice to the Board and to PIR- but lets try to be creative about how we advise them, looking at the impacts on end-users from all perspectives. My 2c M _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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