Sept. 13, 2023
1:06 p.m.
Thank you for the additions. Regarding my personal comment: I still do not understand, what ICANN approved means. Some talk about ICANN initiated i.e after closure of a registrar, others talk about bulk transfer and hope for ICANN covering the costs. Von: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> Im Auftrag von Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2023 14:05 An: Lutz Donnerhacke <lutz@donnerhacke.de>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Betreff: Re: [CPWG] Summary of the last GNSO-TRT meeting Dear Lutz, First thanks for being my proxy on the meeting on Sep. 12, 2023. I listened to the recordings and want to add to your summary and comment the following: As a background, the current policy has a very simple fee: - Bulk transfers with less than n 50k domains = No fee - Bulk transfers with more than n 50k domains = 50k US$ flat Steinar: The present policy refers to the level of 50k domain names pr. TLD. The GNSO-TPR WG need to decide if the level still should be by TLD. >From the end user perspective there is only one notable point: - Registrants need to be informed about the change of the registrar (via reseller) beforehand. - Registrants need to accept the legal rules of the new registrar. Steinar: Added to this is my proposal (in the working doc.) to include text informing that the Registrant may opt-out by finding a new Registrar before the ICANN approved transfer takes place. Steinar: I dont understand this comment and hope you can explain this either on the CPWG call or on this mailing list: For me there is only one point of interest: If "voluntary bulk transfers" are combined with "ICANN approved bulk transfers" into a single policy, the financial benefits and organisational simplifications of the "ICANN approved transfers" may be extended to ordinary, commercial activities. This may bring ICANN into the position of an omnipresent mediator, which is paying for the commercial gambling of the registrars and resellers. Regards, Steinar Grøtterød From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org> > on behalf of Lutz Donnerhacke via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> > Date: Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 13:50 To: cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> > Subject: [CPWG] Summary of the last GNSO-TRT meeting There are three major topics in the discussion yesterday: --- BEGIN OF SUMMARY --- Full Portfolio Transfers (Bulk Transfers): - Preliminary Agreement #1: Registry Operators MAY charge a fee for transferring full domain portfolios, with the option to waive fees in specific cases. - Concept 4: Ensures fees for full portfolio transfers involving multiple registries don't exceed a recommended ceiling, with fees distributed based on the number of domain names. Change of Sponsorship (Partial Bulk Transfers): - Preliminary Agreement #1: Registrars must notify affected registrants at least 30 days before a change of sponsorship, providing details like the change date, Gaining Registrar's name, and terms of service. - Preliminary Agreement #4: Registrants' existing Registration Agreements should allow transfers during a change of sponsorship, and registrants must confirm agreement with new terms before the transfer. Additional Discussions: - Consideration of replacing specific fee numbers with a flexible "reasonable fee" in policy language. - Debate on the relevance of a minimum threshold (e.g., 50,000 domain names) for fees. - Emphasis on clear language and use of "MAY" in fee-related policies. - Recognition of the need for project management representation and potential ICANN Org involvement in fee administration. --- END OF SUMMARY --- As a background, the current policy has a very simple fee: - Bulk transfers with less than n 50k domains = No fee - Bulk transfers with more than n 50k domains = 50k US$ flat >From the end user perspective there is only one notable point: - Registrants need to be informed about the change of the registrar (via reseller) beforehand. - Registrants need to accept the legal rules of the new registrar. For me there is only one point of interest: If "voluntary bulk transfers" are combined with "ICANN approved bulk transfers" into a single policy, the financial benefits and organisational simplifications of the "ICANN approved transfers" may be extended to ordinary, commercial activities. This may bring ICANN into the position of an omnipresent mediator, which is paying for the commercial gambling of the registrars and resellers. _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org <mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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