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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
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I don't thi K so. The focus has really NOT been whois but the data itself Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: NA-Discuss <na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:16:53 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- NOTICE: This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.
....well, as I understand it, EPDP II is now focused on getting agreement on what to disclose from the non-public data. I think they settled on the means - adoption and adaption of RDAP to objective - at EPDP I. -Carlton On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 5:38 pm Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I don't thi K so. The focus has really NOT been whois but the data itself
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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Right. None of which has anything to do with whois Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 5:43:21 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register ....well, as I understand it, EPDP II is now focused on getting agreement on what to disclose from the non-public data. I think they settled on the means - adoption and adaption of RDAP to objective - at EPDP I. -Carlton On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 5:38 pm Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: I don't thi K so. The focus has really NOT been whois but the data itself Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: NA-Discuss <na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:16:53 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- NOTICE: This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.
Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org <mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- NOTICE: This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.
Mike, all, I am a relatively new member of at-large (through ISOC-NY) and it's nice to meet everyone on this list; I am also a current member of the GNSO IP constituency. Mike, I was intending to ask you a related question after I listened to our presentation. Does the propriety-system that your company is currently working on for potential integration with ICANN's new domain registration data policy (being developed through the ePDP) incorporate the RDAP profile technology? If yes, can you provide some color on this aspect? Thanks! Best regards, Claudio On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
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Hello Claudio, Always glad to see an old face resurface, it has been too long. If you will be in Montreal you should show up at the INTA DNS Abuse event on Sunday where we will be demonstrating the new code base including enhancements to incorporate a Trusted Notifier program. The platform incorporates a number of open protocols in addition to RDAP. In fact we will showcase the initial integration with another open source protocol ID4me for secure sign on and potential future identity management. If you want I would direct you and others to the key note speech I gave at the ID4me Developers Conference in Madrid two weeks ago, see https://id4me.org/event/id4me-summit-2019/ Can you elaborate on what “color” you are looking for with regard to RDAP. The current code base interfaces with several public Registry RDAP services. However, most registries have not yet implemented deferential access based on credentials. Some of the best work in this area has been our Due Process Rules Engine and Steve Crocker’s Barbeque Model. Hope that helps. Best regards, Michael From: claudio di gangi <ipcdigangi@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 3:37 PM To: Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Mike, all, I am a relatively new member of at-large (through ISOC-NY) and it's nice to meet everyone on this list; I am also a current member of the GNSO IP constituency. Mike, I was intending to ask you a related question after I listened to our presentation. Does the propriety-system that your company is currently working on for potential integration with ICANN's new domain registration data policy (being developed through the ePDP) incorporate the RDAP profile technology? If yes, can you provide some color on this aspect? Thanks! Best regards, Claudio On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com <mailto:mike@palage.com> > wrote: Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> >; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org <mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Mike, Wow, very illuminating and insightful! That's great you are working on integrating all of the various technologies into your system. I will listen to the keynote speech to learn more details about this aspect. (I won't be in Montreal unfortunately, but will be there in spirit with you all). Safe travels, and best wishes for a productive and fruitful meeting. Sounds wonderful. Best regards, Claudio On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:43 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Hello Claudio,
Always glad to see an old face resurface, it has been too long.
If you will be in Montreal you should show up at the INTA DNS Abuse event on Sunday where we will be demonstrating the new code base including enhancements to incorporate a Trusted Notifier program.
The platform incorporates a number of open protocols in addition to RDAP. In fact we will showcase the initial integration with another open source protocol ID4me for secure sign on and potential future identity management. If you want I would direct you and others to the key note speech I gave at the ID4me Developers Conference in Madrid two weeks ago, see https://id4me.org/event/id4me-summit-2019/
Can you elaborate on what “color” you are looking for with regard to RDAP. The current code base interfaces with several public Registry RDAP services. However, most registries have not yet implemented deferential access based on credentials. Some of the best work in this area has been our Due Process Rules Engine and Steve Crocker’s Barbeque Model. Hope that helps.
Best regards,
Michael
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Mike, all,
I am a relatively new member of at-large (through ISOC-NY) and it's nice to meet everyone on this list; I am also a current member of the GNSO IP constituency.
Mike, I was intending to ask you a related question after I listened to our presentation.
Does the propriety-system that your company is currently working on for potential integration with ICANN's new domain registration data policy (being developed through the ePDP) incorporate the RDAP profile technology? If yes, can you provide some color on this aspect?
Thanks!
Best regards,
Claudio
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
-ed
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
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Folks A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR. So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol. Holly
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com <mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com <mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote:
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Dear Holly, The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Folks
A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR.
So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol.
Holly
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
*From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Eduardo Diaz *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM *To:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Cc:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org < lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Holly,
The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data.
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net <mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: Folks
A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR.
So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol.
Holly
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com <mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com <mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
-ed
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/>
Carlton
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com <mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
-ed
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote:
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Dear Holly, For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets) 1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois. 2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable. The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries: a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data and also b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data". Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Holly,
The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data.
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Folks
A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR.
So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol.
Holly
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
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Whois (the protocol) is going away That ship has sailed. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: registration-issues-wg <registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Dear Holly, For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets) 1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois. 2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable. The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries: a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data and also b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data". Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework. On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Holly, The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: Folks A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR. So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol. Holly On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com<mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Dear Michele, Within the work being done on GDPR, the Community could address the need for basic information to anyone on who the Domain name is associated with, more so in the case of Commercial/Artificial Person domain names. The new whois could arise as a component of the RDAP design. What we need is a layer of non-sensitive Registrant data, classed as such and that portion mirrored in real time onto a 'computer' that we will call the whois computer, which could respond to whois queries. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 10:07 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight < michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Whois (the protocol) is going away
That ship has sailed.
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*From: *registration-issues-wg < registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 *To: *Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> *Cc: *CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Dear Holly,
For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets)
1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois.
2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable.
The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries:
a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data
and also
b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data".
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Holly,
The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data.
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Folks
A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR.
So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD
PR. So same data - improved protocol.
Holly
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
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I am not an expert, so I might be wrong, but it seems to me that the process that Siva describes has an additional cost. So the question is who will bear that cost, and what is the benefit that will justify the investment. Therefore my answer is: * yes, it “could” be done; * maybe, it “should” be done; * no, it “will not" be done. Cheers, Roberto On 29.10.2019, at 18:00, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Michele, Within the work being done on GDPR, the Community could address the need for basic information to anyone on who the Domain name is associated with, more so in the case of Commercial/Artificial Person domain names. The new whois could arise as a component of the RDAP design. What we need is a layer of non-sensitive Registrant data, classed as such and that portion mirrored in real time onto a 'computer' that we will call the whois computer, which could respond to whois queries. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 10:07 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Whois (the protocol) is going away That ship has sailed. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: registration-issues-wg <registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Dear Holly, For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets) 1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois. 2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable. The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries: a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data and also b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data". Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework. On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Holly, The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: Folks A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR. So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol. Holly On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com<mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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If you want to write client software to render RDAP output in a manner similar to current whois there’s nothing to stop you from doing that. Also “mirroring” etc., is far more complicated than you make it sound. You’re talking about moving data around, storing and processing it. Also who is going to pay? Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 17:01 To: Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net>, CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Dear Michele, Within the work being done on GDPR, the Community could address the need for basic information to anyone on who the Domain name is associated with, more so in the case of Commercial/Artificial Person domain names. The new whois could arise as a component of the RDAP design. What we need is a layer of non-sensitive Registrant data, classed as such and that portion mirrored in real time onto a 'computer' that we will call the whois computer, which could respond to whois queries. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 10:07 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Whois (the protocol) is going away That ship has sailed. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: registration-issues-wg <registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Dear Holly, For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets) 1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois. 2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable. The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries: a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data and also b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data". Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework. On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Holly, The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: Folks A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR. So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol. Holly On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com<mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Michele I am talking about the processing of the data. Processing covers a wide range of operations including but not limited to collection, storage, retrieval, transmission, erasure, disclosure. As for the financial part, this is certainly an important part of the conversation. Hadia From: CPWG [mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:24 PM To: sivasubramanian muthusamy Cc: CPWG Subject: Re: [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register If you want to write client software to render RDAP output in a manner similar to current whois there’s nothing to stop you from doing that. Also “mirroring” etc., is far more complicated than you make it sound. You’re talking about moving data around, storing and processing it. Also who is going to pay? Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 17:01 To: Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com> Cc: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net>, CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Dear Michele, Within the work being done on GDPR, the Community could address the need for basic information to anyone on who the Domain name is associated with, more so in the case of Commercial/Artificial Person domain names. The new whois could arise as a component of the RDAP design. What we need is a layer of non-sensitive Registrant data, classed as such and that portion mirrored in real time onto a 'computer' that we will call the whois computer, which could respond to whois queries. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 10:07 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> wrote: Whois (the protocol) is going away That ship has sailed. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: registration-issues-wg <registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Dear Holly, For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets) 1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois. 2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable. The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries: a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data and also b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data". Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework. On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Holly, The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: Folks A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR. So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol. Holly On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com<mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Hi Eduardo and All, The main focus of the EPDP for gTLD registration data was never on WHOIS. WHOIS is a protocol deemed dead some time ago even before the GDPR came into effect. There was always a need for a new protocol that could address the deficiencies of the WHOIS protocol. When we were talking about complying with the GDPR while keeping the current WHOIS to the greatest extent possible, we were not talking about the WHOIS protocol or current framework but we were actually referring to the benefits of the system. WHOIS was only used as a term that refers to the system that deals with the registration data, as this is how it was known by the community. RDAP is the new protocol that would have replaced WHOIS in all cases with or without the GDPR or other similar laws coming into effect. RDAP is a more capable protocol that will help us keep the benefits of the system to the Internet community and protect the privacy of the registrants, of course if we can reach the right policy that can allow for this to happen. Best Hadia From: CPWG [mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 6:38 PM To: sivasubramanian muthusamy; Holly Raiche Cc: CPWG Subject: Re: [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Whois (the protocol) is going away That ship has sailed. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: registration-issues-wg <registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Dear Holly, For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets) 1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois. 2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable. The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries: a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data and also b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data". Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework. On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Holly, The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> wrote: Folks A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR. So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD PR. So same data - improved protocol. Holly On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com<mailto:6.internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com<mailto:mike@palage.com>> wrote: Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Hadia: Thanks for the clarification. -ed On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 6:07 AM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi < Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:
Hi Eduardo and All,
The main focus of the EPDP for gTLD registration data was never on WHOIS. WHOIS is a protocol deemed dead some time ago even before the GDPR came into effect. There was always a need for a new protocol that could address the deficiencies of the WHOIS protocol. When we were talking about complying with the GDPR while keeping the current WHOIS to the greatest extent possible, we were not talking about the WHOIS protocol or current framework but we were actually referring to the benefits of the system. WHOIS was only used as a term that refers to the system that deals with the registration data, as this is how it was known by the community. RDAP is the new protocol that would have replaced WHOIS in all cases with or without the GDPR or other similar laws coming into effect. RDAP is a more capable protocol that will help us keep the benefits of the system to the Internet community and protect the privacy of the registrants, of course if we can reach the right policy that can allow for this to happen.
Best
Hadia
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Whois (the protocol) is going away
That ship has sailed.
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*From: *registration-issues-wg < registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 *To: *Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> *Cc: *CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Dear Holly,
For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets)
1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois.
2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable.
The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries:
a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data
and also
b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data".
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Holly,
The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data.
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Folks
A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR.
So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD
PR. So same data - improved protocol.
Holly
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
*From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Eduardo Diaz *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM *To:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Cc:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org < lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
-ed
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
-ed
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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Carlton Samuels -
claudio di gangi -
Eduardo Diaz -
Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi -
Holly Raiche -
Jonathan Zuck -
Michael Palage -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Roberto Gaetano -
sivasubramanian muthusamy