Dear Michele, Within the work being done on GDPR, the Community could address the need for basic information to anyone on who the Domain name is associated with, more so in the case of Commercial/Artificial Person domain names. The new whois could arise as a component of the RDAP design. What we need is a layer of non-sensitive Registrant data, classed as such and that portion mirrored in real time onto a 'computer' that we will call the whois computer, which could respond to whois queries. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 10:07 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight < michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Whois (the protocol) is going away
That ship has sailed.
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*From: *registration-issues-wg < registration-issues-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday 29 October 2019 at 12:01 *To: *Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> *Cc: *CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Dear Holly,
For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets)
1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois.
2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is being designed for gated access, solves the problem. The new protocol, while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that of making whois unworkable.
The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping non-sensitive data open for whois queries:
a) Registrant Data for Law and Order: to allow layered access based on privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data
and also
b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for access under the name "whois data".
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on whatever it is configured to provide access to. Given privacy protections globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided - that depends on the regulatory framework.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Holly,
The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a transparent layer of Registrant data.
Sivasubramanian M
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Folks
A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois. One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the service. In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or RDAP - the registration data protocol. In fact the IETF developed the protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the GDPR.
So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is now called registration data. The RDAP can be configured to allow gated access to the registration data - as required under the GD
PR. So same data - improved protocol.
Holly
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy < 6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:
Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
*From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Eduardo Diaz *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM *To:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Cc:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org < lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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