Re: [CPWG] PIR: Why an At-Large Board Member?
I don't think that is the question Jonathan is asking. It is not why WE think we should be there or even why we think we would do a good job. It is why THEY should select us over other possible community representatives? Alan At 09/01/2020 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello Jonathan, all The "why At-Large" in this context can perhaps be likened to what eventually made At-Large to have a single Board member on ICANN Board. If At-Large believes that her voice is important on the "new" PIR decision table, and that it will be through Board representation, I don't see anything wrong with making that clear from the start. Contributing towards getting a generic block of slot with a "later" tag on its allocation won't be strategic IMO Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 17:14 Jonathan Zuck, < JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: I recognize it feels natural in our comments/advice to suggest someone from At-Large be on the PIR board but again I feel it prudent to ask, why At-Large? Why wouldn’t we ask that 1/3 of the board members be representatives of 501c(3) non-profits or ASBLs from Brussels? Those same people might be in the At-Large but that wouldn’t be why they are on the board of PIR. Jonathan Zuck | Executive Director | Innovators Network jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> | O 202.420.7497 | S jvzuck | [cid:image001.png@01D2AEED.C7EA7800] _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. Content-Type: image/png; name="image001.png" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image001.png" Content-ID: <16f8c6657384cff311> X-Attachment-Id: 16f8c6657384cff311 Content-Type: image/png; name="image001.png" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image001.png" Content-ID: <> X-Attachment-Id: _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
I am totally in agreement with the idea that we should be preparing something about what the board and stewardship council should look like rather than asking for a seat on the board (for the moment). There should be as much transparency as possible -- whereas the default on most corporate boards leans to as little transparency as possible. So we should ask for fulsome minutes, specific info about voting, open board meetings except on sensitive issues, a public interest component to the requirements set for board members (to the point that at least 1 or 2 must specifically represent a public interest perspective). I am sure there are other things ... but I don't have the expertise to draft this. Maybe Greg???? Marita On 1/9/2020 5:59 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
I don't think that is the question Jonathan is asking. It is not why WE think we should be there or even why we think we would do a good job. It is why THEY should select us over other possible community representatives?
Alan
At 09/01/2020 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Jonathan, all
The "why At-Large" in this context can perhaps be likened to what eventually made At-Large to have a single Board member on ICANN Board.
If At-Large believes that her voice is important on the "new" PIR decision table, and that it will be through Board representation, I don't see anything wrong with making that clear from the start. Contributing towards getting a generic block of slot with a "later" tag on its allocation won't be strategic IMO
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 17:14 Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
I recognize it feels natural in our comments/advice to suggest someone from At-Large be on the PIR board but again I feel it prudent to ask, why At-Large? Why wouldn’t we ask that 1/3 of the board members be representatives of 501c(3) non-profits or ASBLs from Brussels? Those same people might be in the At-Large but that wouldn’t be why they are on the board of PIR.
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Agree- but add:
On Jan 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
I am totally in agreement with the idea that we should be preparing something about what the board and stewardship council should look like rather than asking for a seat on the board (for the moment). There should be as much transparency as possible -- whereas the default on most corporate boards leans to as little transparency as possible. So we should ask for fulsome minutes, specific info about voting, open board meetings except on sensitive issues, a public interest component to the requirements set for board members
Apart from requirement for board members, documented requirements on the registry (and therefore on all Board members) to act in the public interest - which would need to be clearly defined Holly
(to the point that at least 1 or 2 must specifically represent a public interest perspective). I am sure there are other things ... but I don't have the expertise to draft this. Maybe Greg????
Marita On 1/9/2020 5:59 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
I don't think that is the question Jonathan is asking. It is not why WE think we should be there or even why we think we would do a good job. It is why THEY should select us over other possible community representatives?
Alan
At 09/01/2020 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Jonathan, all
The "why At-Large" in this context can perhaps be likened to what eventually made At-Large to have a single Board member on ICANN Board.
If At-Large believes that her voice is important on the "new" PIR decision table, and that it will be through Board representation, I don't see anything wrong with making that clear from the start. Contributing towards getting a generic block of slot with a "later" tag on its allocation won't be strategic IMO
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 17:14 Jonathan Zuck, < JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
I recognize it feels natural in our comments/advice to suggest someone from At-Large be on the PIR board but again I feel it prudent to ask, why At-Large? Why wouldn’t we ask that 1/3 of the board members be representatives of 501c(3) non-profits or ASBLs from Brussels? Those same people might be in the At-Large but that wouldn’t be why they are on the board of PIR.
Jonathan Zuck | Executive Director | Innovators Network
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Well, I MIGHT be asking that. I'm not sure what the At-Large has to do with managing ORG unless it's to bring an individual end user perspective or a kind of generic "public interest" perspective. It SEEMS that what should be asked is for participation by their nonprofit customers, no? Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:59:33 PM To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>; Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CPWG] PIR: Why an At-Large Board Member? I don't think that is the question Jonathan is asking. It is not why WE think we should be there or even why we think we would do a good job. It is why THEY should select us over other possible community representatives? Alan At 09/01/2020 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello Jonathan, all The "why At-Large" in this context can perhaps be likened to what eventually made At-Large to have a single Board member on ICANN Board. If At-Large believes that her voice is important on the "new" PIR decision table, and that it will be through Board representation, I don't see anything wrong with making that clear from the start. Contributing towards getting a generic block of slot with a "later" tag on its allocation won't be strategic IMO Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 17:14 Jonathan Zuck, < JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: I recognize it feels natural in our comments/advice to suggest someone from At-Large be on the PIR board but again I feel it prudent to ask, why At-Large? Why wouldn’t we ask that 1/3 of the board members be representatives of 501c(3) non-profits or ASBLs from Brussels? Those same people might be in the At-Large but that wouldn’t be why they are on the board of PIR. Jonathan Zuck | Executive Director | Innovators Network jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> | O 202.420.7497 | S jvzuck | [cid:image001.png@01D2AEED.C7EA7800] _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. Content-Type: image/png; name="image001.png" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image001.png" Content-ID: <16f8c6657384cff311> X-Attachment-Id: 16f8c6657384cff311 Content-Type: image/png; name="image001.png" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="image001.png" Content-ID: <> X-Attachment-Id: _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
First answer - Yes - (to your ‘no?’) there should be some mechanism to ensure that a ‘public interest’ perspective is part of their decision making process. Which is why I want something written into the documentation that requires consideration of the public interest - by whatever mechanism Holly
On Jan 10, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
Well, I MIGHT be asking that. I'm not sure what the At-Large has to do with managing ORG unless it's to bring an individual end user perspective or a kind of generic "public interest" perspective. It SEEMS that what should be asked is for participation by their nonprofit customers, no?
Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:59:33 PM To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>; Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CPWG] PIR: Why an At-Large Board Member?
I don't think that is the question Jonathan is asking. It is not why WE think we should be there or even why we think we would do a good job. It is why THEY should select us over other possible community representatives?
Alan
At 09/01/2020 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Jonathan, all
The "why At-Large" in this context can perhaps be likened to what eventually made At-Large to have a single Board member on ICANN Board.
If At-Large believes that her voice is important on the "new" PIR decision table, and that it will be through Board representation, I don't see anything wrong with making that clear from the start. Contributing towards getting a generic block of slot with a "later" tag on its allocation won't be strategic IMO
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 17:14 Jonathan Zuck, < JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
I recognize it feels natural in our comments/advice to suggest someone from At-Large be on the PIR board but again I feel it prudent to ask, why At-Large? Why wouldn’t we ask that 1/3 of the board members be representatives of 501c(3) non-profits or ASBLs from Brussels? Those same people might be in the At-Large but that wouldn’t be why they are on the board of PIR.
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My guess is that the best we'll get from a B Corp is an impact assessment. ________________________________ From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:32 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CPWG] PIR: Why an At-Large Board Member? First answer - Yes - (to your ‘no?’) there should be some mechanism to ensure that a ‘public interest’ perspective is part of their decision making process. Which is why I want something written into the documentation that requires consideration of the public interest - by whatever mechanism Holly On Jan 10, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: Well, I MIGHT be asking that. I'm not sure what the At-Large has to do with managing ORG unless it's to bring an individual end user perspective or a kind of generic "public interest" perspective. It SEEMS that what should be asked is for participation by their nonprofit customers, no? Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> ________________________________ From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:59:33 PM To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>>; Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CPWG] PIR: Why an At-Large Board Member? I don't think that is the question Jonathan is asking. It is not why WE think we should be there or even why we think we would do a good job. It is why THEY should select us over other possible community representatives? Alan At 09/01/2020 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello Jonathan, all The "why At-Large" in this context can perhaps be likened to what eventually made At-Large to have a single Board member on ICANN Board. If At-Large believes that her voice is important on the "new" PIR decision table, and that it will be through Board representation, I don't see anything wrong with making that clear from the start. Contributing towards getting a generic block of slot with a "later" tag on its allocation won't be strategic IMO Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 17:14 Jonathan Zuck, < JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: I recognize it feels natural in our comments/advice to suggest someone from At-Large be on the PIR board but again I feel it prudent to ask, why At-Large? Why wouldn’t we ask that 1/3 of the board members be representatives of 501c(3) non-profits or ASBLs from Brussels? Those same people might be in the At-Large but that wouldn’t be why they are on the board of PIR. Jonathan Zuck | Executive Director | Innovators Network jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> | O 202.420.7497 | S jvzuck | [cid:image001.png@01D2AEED.C7EA7800] _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. 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