Call for Comments by Monday, 5 July: ALAC Statement on Initial Report of the Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP)
Good afternoon. Thankyou, Noted, However, at such short notice, I am not able to comment in the format required by the document. I have every confidence that the ALAC participants in the EPDPs are doing their very best to make the best of a very difficult job. Notwithstanding, my considered position in this matter is to abstain. While I recognise that ALAC's participation in EPDP to date has been inspired by patient wisdom, seeking pragmatic compromise, I consider that commenting on the EPDP report at this time is no longer where we should be at. I have participated in aspects of ICANN's privacy policy in several capacities, for the past twenty years and have regrettably come to the conclusion that ICANN's Multi-stakeholder Model has – in this respect - failed. I see no merit any longer in sending back comments which are tweaks to questions that will without doubt be rejected by the EPDP and GNSO. Worse, I have observed over the years that a number of the contracted parties are simply 'playing the clock' (to adopt an expression from football) and have no intention of allowing ICANN to adopt a GDPR-compliant policy. The MSM adopted by the empowered community in the context of the Transition was not done to permit permanent procrastination of policy issues for the commercial interest of a 'consensus' within the GNSO. Enough is enough. I think that the ICANN Board should close down the EPDP and simply refer the matter back to ICANN Legal to resolve on the basis of their, by now, no doubt detailed knowledge of privacy policies and legislation world-wide, including GDPR. As things stand in this and other PDPs, ICANN's version of the MSM will bring the Multi-Stakeholder Model, into disrepute internationally. Regards CW Begin forwarded message: From: Evin Erdogdu via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: [CPWG] Call for Comments by Monday, 5 July: ALAC Statement on Initial Report of the Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Team – PHASE 2A Date: 2 July 2021 at 23:16:37 CEST To: "cpwg@icann.org" <cpwg@icann.org> Reply-To: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> Hello CPWG members, Please provide comments, if any, on the draft ALAC Statement on Initial Report of the Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data Team – PHASE 2A https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=166265698 by Monday, 5 July: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_EPaFDv46r8HEq3Rj7fY0IZmkYy63zMiIIGPalF5... You may also provide comments on the At-Large workspace https://community.icann.org/x/YgPpCQ for the ALAC statement. Thank you, Evin Ashley Erdoğdu Policy Analyst Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org mailto:CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Good evening: Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October: https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies. 1. Covid 19 : irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries. Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October? 2. Balanced participation: Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that “Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”. So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle. 3. US Visas : most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired. ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future. CW, Xàbia, July 2021
I must agree. I would dearly love to have an in-person meeting in Seattle. But at the moment, I think the balance has to be not to do it this year. Bill Jouris On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 11:32:31 AM PDT, mail@christopherwilkinson.eu CW via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote: Good evening: Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October: https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies. - Covid 19 : irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries. Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October? - Balanced participation: Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that “Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”. So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle. - US Visas : most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired. ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future. CW, Xàbia, July 2021 _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
I agree with CW - with the caveat that the ESTA problem will only be postponed to ICANN73 in Puerto Rico, although the sanitary situation could be more favourable. I think that the fact that “Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies” is rather speaking against an in-person meeting, simply because we cannot say that the other stakeholder groups will enjoy an equally favourable situation. Trying to see the situation from the outside, I would argue that if ICANN is a domain name industry gathering it would make sense to hold an in-person meeting in Seattle, while if ICANN is the place where the multi-stakeholder community meets it would not make sense. My point is that we have sufficient bias during normal times in terms of multi-stakeholder participation that we do not need an additional one where large part of the world outside the highly vaccinated areas (probably just NA and EU) would not be able to attend. And this not to speak about the fact that under these circumstances the presence is likely to be limited to the professionals of the domain name market. I am curious to see how the situation evolves and what will be the justification for ICANN to decide in one direction or the other, and also keep an eye on the record of in-person participation for different geographical areas and/or stakeholder groups. Cheers, Roberto
On 14.07.2021, at 20:08, mail@christopherwilkinson.eu CW via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote:
Good evening:
Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October: https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... <https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in...> May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies.
Covid 19 : irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries.
Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October?
Balanced participation: Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that “Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”. So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle.
US Visas : most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired.
ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future.
CW, Xàbia, July 2021
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Hi, all I didn't understood the Board decision about ICANN73 ! Anyone has further informations? Freindly Regards Chokri Le jeu. 15 juil. 2021 à 7:05 AM, Roberto Gaetano via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> a écrit :
I agree with CW - with the caveat that the ESTA problem will only be postponed to ICANN73 in Puerto Rico, although the sanitary situation could be more favourable.
I think that the fact that *“**Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”* is rather speaking against an in-person meeting, simply because we cannot say that the other stakeholder groups will enjoy an equally favourable situation.
Trying to see the situation from the outside, I would argue that if ICANN is a domain name industry gathering it would make sense to hold an in-person meeting in Seattle, while if ICANN is the place where the multi-stakeholder community meets it would not make sense. My point is that we have sufficient bias during normal times in terms of multi-stakeholder participation that we do not need an additional one where large part of the world outside the highly vaccinated areas (probably just NA and EU) would not be able to attend. And this not to speak about the fact that under these circumstances the presence is likely to be limited to the professionals of the domain name market.
I am curious to see how the situation evolves and what will be the justification for ICANN to decide in one direction or the other, and also keep an eye on the record of in-person participation for different geographical areas and/or stakeholder groups.
Cheers, Roberto
On 14.07.2021, at 20:08, mail@christopherwilkinson.eu CW via CPWG < cpwg@icann.org> wrote:
Good evening:
Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October:
https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies.
1.
*Covid 19 :* irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries.
Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October?
2.
*Balanced participation:* Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that *“**Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”.* So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle.
3.
*US Visas :* most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired.
ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future.
CW, Xàbia, July 2021
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Basically, this falls's meeting will be via Zoom, as the last several have been. The Board is still working on the assumption that we will be able to do the February meeting partially in person (thus "hybrid"). But that's subject to change as conditions continue to unfold. Does that help? Bill Jouris Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:49 AM, Chokri Ben Romdhane via CPWG<cpwg@icann.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Thank you for sharing this, Christopher! I agree with the points you raised, and also agree with Bill that an in-person meeting would be good but it is tough at this point. Just to add that vaccination rates are still low in some developing countries and even if one is vaccinated, some countries are on a "red list" meaning it is hard to enter the U.S. Regards, Sarah On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32 PM mail@christopherwilkinson.eu CW via CPWG < cpwg@icann.org> wrote:
Good evening:
Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October:
https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies.
1.
*Covid 19 :* irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries.
Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October?
2.
*Balanced participation:* Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that *“**Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”.* So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle.
3.
*US Visas :* most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired.
ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future.
CW, Xàbia, July 2021
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True, others have moved on. But some of us are still in the middle of the pandemic. And as Sarah said, visa and travel has become more complicated. Some questions we should ponder on: Is ICANN going to cover costs on testing and isolation? Is it going to have restrictions on vaccination? Because it would be sad if a participant is affected from the convening. Remember it is bringing participants from different countries, with different variants. Ps. I would also love an in person meeting. No virtual meeting tool can match the level of engagement we can achieve with an in person meeting. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 12:02 Sarah T. Kiden via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you for sharing this, Christopher!
I agree with the points you raised, and also agree with Bill that an in-person meeting would be good but it is tough at this point. Just to add that vaccination rates are still low in some developing countries and even if one is vaccinated, some countries are on a "red list" meaning it is hard to enter the U.S.
Regards,
Sarah
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32 PM mail@christopherwilkinson.eu CW via CPWG < cpwg@icann.org> wrote:
Good evening:
Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October:
https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies.
1.
*Covid 19 :* irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries.
Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October?
2.
*Balanced participation:* Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that *“**Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”.* So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle.
3.
*US Visas :* most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired.
ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future.
CW, Xàbia, July 2021
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Hi all ICANN has decided. https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann72-to-be-virtual-annual-... Some of the points that we have been discussing have been also considered by the Board in making the decision. Cheers, Roberto On 15.07.2021, at 13:15, Liz Orembo via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> wrote: True, others have moved on. But some of us are still in the middle of the pandemic. And as Sarah said, visa and travel has become more complicated. Some questions we should ponder on: Is ICANN going to cover costs on testing and isolation? Is it going to have restrictions on vaccination? Because it would be sad if a participant is affected from the convening. Remember it is bringing participants from different countries, with different variants. Ps. I would also love an in person meeting. No virtual meeting tool can match the level of engagement we can achieve with an in person meeting. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 12:02 Sarah T. Kiden via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> wrote: Thank you for sharing this, Christopher! I agree with the points you raised, and also agree with Bill that an in-person meeting would be good but it is tough at this point. Just to add that vaccination rates are still low in some developing countries and even if one is vaccinated, some countries are on a "red list" meaning it is hard to enter the U.S. Regards, Sarah On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32 PM mail@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu> CW via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> wrote: Good evening: Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October: https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies. 1. Covid 19 : irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries. Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October? 2. Balanced participation: Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that “Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”. So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle. 3. US Visas : most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired. ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future. CW, Xàbia, July 2021 _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Well done, Board. Thankyou for support. CW
El 16 de julio de 2021 a las 7:47 Roberto Gaetano via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> escribió:
Hi all
ICANN has decided.
https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann72-to-be-virtual-annual-...
Some of the points that we have been discussing have been also considered by the Board in making the decision.
Cheers, Roberto
> > On 15.07.2021, at 13:15, Liz Orembo via CPWG < cpwg@icann.org mailto:cpwg@icann.org > wrote:
True, others have moved on. But some of us are still in the middle of the pandemic. And as Sarah said, visa and travel has become more complicated.
Some questions we should ponder on: Is ICANN going to cover costs on testing and isolation?
Is it going to have restrictions on vaccination? Because it would be sad if a participant is affected from the convening. Remember it is bringing participants from different countries, with different variants.
Ps. I would also love an in person meeting. No virtual meeting tool can match the level of engagement we can achieve with an in person meeting.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 12:02 Sarah T. Kiden via CPWG < cpwg@icann.org mailto:cpwg@icann.org > wrote:
> > > Thank you for sharing this, Christopher!
I agree with the points you raised, and also agree with Bill that an in-person meeting would be good but it is tough at this point. Just to add that vaccination rates are still low in some developing countries and even if one is vaccinated, some countries are on a "red list" meaning it is hard to enter the U.S.
Regards,
Sarah
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32 PM mail@christopherwilkinson.eu mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu CW via CPWG < cpwg@icann.org mailto:cpwg@icann.org > wrote:
> > > >
Good evening:
Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October:
https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies.
1. Covid 19 : irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries.
Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October?
2. Balanced participation: Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that “Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”. So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle.
3. US Visas : most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired.
ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future.
CW, Xàbia, July 2021
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ICANN Board has taken a wise decision. K Mohan RaiduPresidentISoc India Hyderabad Chapter============================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> To: Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2021 11:17 am Subject: Re: [CPWG] CPWG - ICANN72 participation Hi all ICANN has decided. https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann72-to-be-virtual-annual-... Some of the points that we have been discussing have been also considered by the Board in making the decision. Cheers,Roberto On 15.07.2021, at 13:15, Liz Orembo via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote: True, others have moved on. But some of us are still in the middle of the pandemic. And as Sarah said, visa and travel has become more complicated. Some questions we should ponder on: Is ICANN going to cover costs on testing and isolation? Is it going to have restrictions on vaccination? Because it would be sad if a participant is affected from the convening. Remember it is bringing participants from different countries, with different variants. Ps. I would also love an in person meeting. No virtual meeting tool can match the level of engagement we can achieve with an in person meeting. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 12:02 Sarah T. Kiden via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote: Thank you for sharing this, Christopher! I agree with the points you raised, and also agree with Bill that an in-person meeting would be good but it is tough at this point. Just to add that vaccination rates are still low in some developing countries and even if one is vaccinated, some countries are on a "red list" meaning it is hard to enter the U.S. Regards, Sarah On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32 PM mail@christopherwilkinson.eu CW via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote: Good evening: Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October: https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies. - Covid 19 : irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries. Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October? - Balanced participation: Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that“Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”. So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle. - US Visas : most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired. ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future. 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Yes, wise decision of the board Kind regards Dave Kissoondoyal On 16/07/2021 12:14, K Mohan Raidu via CPWG wrote:
ICANN Board has taken a wise decision.
K Mohan Raidu President ISoc India Hyderabad Chapter ==============================================================================
-----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> To: Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2021 11:17 am Subject: Re: [CPWG] CPWG - ICANN72 participation
Hi all
ICANN has decided.
https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann72-to-be-virtual-annual-... <https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann72-to-be-virtual-annual-...>
Some of the points that we have been discussing have been also considered by the Board in making the decision.
Cheers, Roberto
On 15.07.2021, at 13:15, Liz Orembo via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> wrote:
True, others have moved on. But some of us are still in the middle of the pandemic. And as Sarah said, visa and travel has become more complicated.
Some questions we should ponder on: Is ICANN going to cover costs on testing and isolation?
Is it going to have restrictions on vaccination? Because it would be sad if a participant is affected from the convening. Remember it is bringing participants from different countries, with different variants.
Ps. I would also love an in person meeting. No virtual meeting tool can match the level of engagement we can achieve with an in person meeting.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 12:02 Sarah T. Kiden via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> wrote:
Thank you for sharing this, Christopher!
I agree with the points you raised, and also agree with Bill that an in-person meeting would be good but it is tough at this point. Just to add that vaccination rates are still low in some developing countries and even if one is vaccinated, some countries are on a "red list" meaning it is hard to enter the U.S.
Regards,
Sarah
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:32 PM mail@christopherwilkinson.eu <mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu> CW via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> wrote:
Good evening:
Domain Name Wire editor, Andrew Alleman is lobbying for an in-person ICANN72 in Seattle, next October: https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in... <https://domainnamewire.com/2021/07/14/icanns-board-should-go-forward-with-in...> May I say that I think this is a rather bad idea. It would be premature visà vis Covid 19 and extremely difficult to obtain balanced participation with present travel funding policies.
1. *Covid 19 :* irrespective of more generalized vaccinations and testing, it is likely that many participants will have to quarantine for several days on arrival and/or on returning home. At present this is typically 10 days for some countries.
Who knows what the situation will be world-wide in October?
2. *Balanced participation:* Apparently in support of their case, their blurb notes that /“//Seattle is home to a large (and growing) number of domain name companies”./ So be it, but there are also an even larger number of domain name companies which are NOT in Seattle.
3. *US Visas :* most non-US participants will have to get a new ESTA travel permit ; e.g. mine has certainly expired.
ALAC and CPWG may reach their own conclusions about achieving balanced AC/SO participation in these circumstances. In my view, an in-person ICANN72 dominated by local domain name companies hardly inspires confidence in the light of At Large's declared objectives for the future.
CW, Xàbia, July 2021
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Bill Jouris -
Chokri Ben Romdhane -
Dave Kissoondoyal -
K Mohan Raidu -
Liz Orembo -
mail＠christopherwilkinson.eu CW -
Roberto Gaetano -
Roberto Gaetano -
Sarah T. Kiden