Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the CWG Framework of Operating Principles call held on Tuesday, 10 May 2016 at 18:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-cwg-principles-10may16-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr John Berard - (Co-Chair) Becky Burr - (Co-Chair) Avri Doria Jim Galvin Alan Greenberg Apologies: Annebeth Lange ICANN staff: Mary Wong Steve Chan David Tait Bart Boswinkel Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Web page : <http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/ccwg-framework.htm> http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/ccwg-framework.htm Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Tuesday, 10 May 2016 Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the Framework of Operating Principles Cross Community Working Group meeting on the 10th May 2016 john:sorry, hit enter too soon, Berard john:say something so I can confirm i am connected Terri Agnew:Hi John thank you for this, I will update the line name Jim Galvin:Somebody is not on mute and is typing. Mary Wong:Avri sent me an email saying she would be late due to another call. Mary Wong:@Cheryl, sorry about the time - if it helps, it's 2 a.m. here in Singapore! Mary Wong:CONGRATS BECKY!!! Becky Burr:apologies, need to figure out how to turn the mic on. thanks everyone. Terri Agnew:Becky, private AC chat you with directions how to activate Steve Chan:I can see it as well Jim Galvin:I do not see in the AdobeConnect but I do have a separate copy open locally. Alan Greenberg:Not here! Becky Burr:likewise, I don't see it in Adobe Terri Agnew:you may need to update your Adobe connect plug in's with this link: http://tinyurl.com/icannactest Ensure all 3 steps pass. On the fourth step, install the add-on. This will run adobe connect outside of the web browser. Adobe connect prefers Firefox browser. Jim Galvin:I now see it in Adobe. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Happy to reinforce the language.... I think it is a poivotsl point Bart Boswinkel:This could also be re-inforced by combining this notion with stonger langauge around need for internal rules for a group to be agreed up before the actual work starts Mary Wong:@Bart, yes, absolutely. Mary Wong:In that regard, this group will also need to consider the feedback that seems to indicate little support for more formal operational rules n the Framework, but to include any such that are necessary in the Charter for the CCWG in question. Bart Boswinkel:Yes, and their is a difernce between the CCWG and CWG Terri Agnew:Welcome Avri Avri Doria:thanks Terri, sorry i am late. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Perfect Mary Some can be To be used unless otherwise ... ... ... in the Charter etc., Becky Burr:I agree John - I don't feel the need to do that Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Agree Alan Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):YES Jim thus our use of Principles nd Guidelines... Bart Boswinkel:ORiginally when this group started there were two outstanding core principles for a CCWG: one charter explicitly adopted by two or more SO/AC Bart Boswinkel: and the fumnal product wouldbe approved by the chartering organisations. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Future MAY bring new Interpretations of such Frameworks Mary Wong:Some of the comments on implementatin are reflected starting at the bottom of Page 10 of he Tabular Summary. Bart Boswinkel:It could be if charterd by the chartering organisations to do so Bart Boswinkel:at the time of adoption of the recomendation Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I AGree with you Avri this is essential Bart Boswinkel:AS AVRi says it couldbe part of the recommendations to the chartering organisations Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):The work from te Implementation WG was pretty clear on this John Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): AAnd in the current CWG/CCWG we have activly ensured tht we have close input from ley people from the WG's to work with Implementation Mary Wong:An IRT can (should?) be separate from the CCWG; it's just composed partly of intersted CCWG memebrs. So a CCWG can (should?) be closed once its recommendations are completed/adopted. Mary Wong:Note also the RySG comments that (per Cheryl) the recommendations on implementation from the Policy & Implementation WG may be worth considering. John Berard:is there a term of art for a WG going into suspended animation? Mary Wong:AFAIK, no Alan Greenberg:It may choose to remain in place pending adoption by the Board and implementation. Mary Wong:Not policy, at least, not policy that is within the remit of a SO :) Bart Boswinkel:That assumes the chair and co-chair remain active Bart Boswinkel:as soon as a wg clsoes they are in-active Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Fair point Bart... but then we ned to replace them with competant alterntes Alan Greenberg:I have to drop off now. Good meeting. Bart Boswinkel:Going back to Jim's point and the drift of John's argument Mary Wong:Thanks Alan Mary Wong:Sevearl commenters seemed to think we need more clarity.. Mary Wong:It looks like there will be a Helsinki session. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thanks everyone great progress ... good call ... Talk soon, catch up soon to plan for Helsinki. docs soon aafter some of you gather in Amsterdam please... Jim Galvin:WHen will we meet again? Jim Galvin:@mary thanks! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):YES do meeting in 14 days Bart Boswinkel:9 pm Mary Wong:It's 2 a.m. in Singapore an 4 a.m. in Sydney Bart Boswinkel:that is fine Mary Wong:For 1800 UTC Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):0400 is fine for me Bart Boswinkel:21.UTC Mary Wong:OK Bart Boswinkel: is fine as well Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):HAPPY with 0400 Jim Galvin:I'm in no position to complain. Take it to the mailing list. :-) Bart Boswinkel:Bye all David Tait:Thanks all Steve Chan:thanks all Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye for now then Thanks John Becky et.al.