Hi Seun, I’m not sure I agree with you! IANA functions operator is the phrase used to identify the operator only. It needs to be independent of where that role might sit. Currently it is a part of ICANN, but in the future it might be with another organisation, dependent on who wins a RfP launched by Contract Co. or triggered by a golden bylaw. But your comment has had me re-reading the text and I do see some potential for confusion. So I wonder whether, “The term IANA functions operator refers to the entity that provides the service, independent of the organisation that hosts it, currently ICANN” would be better. What do you think? Martin From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com] Sent: 10 March 2015 18:16 To: Martin Boyle Cc: John Poole; cwg-stewardship@icann.org; Milton L Mueller Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles: revised draft 9 March Hi, While i have no major objection to this, I am not sure that description is correct. ICANN is the operator of IANA simple, so I don't think an attempt to describe IANA operator in the proposed manner is adequate.(it's like saying sidely) However perhaps it can be used for the purpose of the document only. So I propose the following: "For the purpose of this document, the term IANA functions operator refers to the entity that provides the service. It is part of the organisation that hosts the function, currently ICANN.” Regards sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. I have no objection to doing this – the wording is fine for me. The first use of the term is in 5.ii, so I will add the footnote there for the next revision: I’d suggest, “The term IANA functions operator refers to the entity organisational structure that provides the service. It is independent of the organisation that hosts the operator, currently ICANN.” But I’m more than happy to hear alternatives. Martin From: john@expri.com<mailto:john@expri.com> [mailto:john@expri.com<mailto:john@expri.com>] On Behalf Of John Poole Sent: 09 March 2015 22:51 To: Milton L Mueller Cc: Martin Boyle; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles: revised draft 9 March Milton, Your definition is fine so long as that is specific definition is added to the document (even as a footnote). The term is widely used to refer to ICANN generally, in NTIA, ICANN, and other documents, and I do not want confusion in the future, either by the CWG or others who may later read this. Best regards, John Poole On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu<mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote: I thought we had agreed long ago that all references to the IANA functions operator were to the IANA functions operator per se, and not to ICANN, because it cannot and should not be assumed that ICANN will always be the IANA functions operator. From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of John Poole Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 4:30 PM To: Martin Boyle Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles: revised draft 9 March Martin: I know this has been raised before but I am still unsure of your terminology--please define "IANA Functions Operator" which appears multiple times in various contexts in the draft of Principles. Are you referring only to the IANA department within ICANN, or are you referring to ICANN? ICANN is referred to generally as the "IANA Functions Operator" in NTIA and ICANN and other documents<https://www.google.com/search?q=IANA+functions+operator>. The draft Principles seem to use the term in places as referring to ICANN and other places as referring only to the IANA department within ICANN--e.g., in 5 iii: "... policy processes should be independent of the IANA Functions Operator ..." i.e., policy processes should be independent of ICANN? Then who is making policy? Could you please clarify? Best regards, John Poole On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk<mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk>> wrote: Dear Colleagues, I attach a revised draft of the principles document based on our calls on 3 & 5 March. I believe we have a text that is pretty much in its final form, with only one outstanding issue. Looking at the remaining highlighted changes: 5.ii & iii: These are mainly editorial and have been discussed without opposition on recent calls. 5.iv footnote: We had comments about the meaning of consensus in the footnote. I do not think that defining consensus is in the remit of this document, but is part of the considerations of any entity that we establish. Hence I have added, “Conditions for consensus will need to be agreed appropriate for the group” to make this clear. 5.vi<http://5.vi>: As I said when I flagged this paragraph as of concern, I am inherently uneasy about a principle that is essentially optional and where it might need to be re-written because of subsequent choices that we make. Either it is a principle or it isn’t. I believe that we need to understand the implications of what we are trying to say, so I am taking editor’s right to propose a new formulation that should be independent of subsequent decisions. 6.ii: Was agreed as not being a principle last week. 7.i: Editing agreed last week. 7.ii: We took this off-line. There has been some progress in discussions with Paul and Elise. I have made a drafting proposal to both for wording that tries to take into account the concerns they have expressed. However, this paragraph needs to be held in abeyance until we have heard the views of both. 8.ii: In discussion with Erick, we have identified a compromise that moves away from saying anything about the policy authority and who it might or might not be. The proposed wording (“In particular, the IANA functions operator should not impose any additional requirements on the registry unless they are directly and demonstrably linked to global security, stability and resilience of the DNS.”) turns this around to prevent the IANA functions operator making unilateral decisions that impact the ccTLD except in (rare) cases of global security, stability and resilience. Given the delicate balance behind this text, I hope that others will find this formulation acceptable and I thank Erick for his support in finding this compromise. 9.i: A minor point here that was discussed last week. The wording is not necessary to the text, but does make it clearer that i. is about separability now and iii. says we would need to include separability for all future IANA functions operators. 10: A reasonable edit proposed by Mary last week: no objections have been raised. Hence I would hold 5.ii-iv, 6.ii, 7.i, 9.i and 10 to be agreed text if there are no objections. 5.iv: I suggest we use the new wording unless there is significant opposition. 7.ii: This has to stay in abeyance subject to agreement by Elise (in discussion with the GAC) and by Paul Kane. 8.ii: Again I suggest we use the proposed wording unless there is significant opposition. I look forward to comments on this approach, and please do flag early any difficulties you might have with any of the proposals. 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