Greg, I agree with your second comment, [GS4]: “In a sense, the same thing could be said for each Principle, since we begin by stating that the proposal(s) can be tested against the principles and criteria before being sent to the ICG.” But I identified several principles that I think require a more extensive effort. Comment [GS23] says: “I don’t think this is technically true. There is nothing in the IANA contract that says this. Maybe this is being confused with the “separation from policy” concept. To be fair, the structure of the contract (i.e., with limited duration) gives the NTIA the opportunity to separate the IANA functions from the current operator, but it is not a requirement of the contract.” I think you are correct here but what I was suggesting is that we evaluate whether separability of the IANA functions from ICANN would be possible under the ICANN-only scenario. Regarding your last comment, [GS27], do I understand you to say that the CSC should be multistakeholder? If so, why do you think that? And what would that mean? Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 1:55 AM To: Robert Guerra Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles My edits and comments are attached. Greg Gregory S. Shatan • Abelman Frayne & Schwab 666 Third Avenue • New York, NY 10017-5621 Direct 212-885-9253 | Main 212-949-9022 Fax 212-949-9190 | Cell 917-816-6428 gsshatan@lawabel.com<mailto:gsshatan@lawabel.com> ICANN-related: gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> www.lawabel.com<http://www.lawabel.com/> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org<mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org>> wrote: concur with Milton and Chuck on this one. Robert On Dec 7, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu<mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote: Yes, I agree. But the principle as formulated implies that every entity involved in management must be MS, which I think is excessive. From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 5:59 PM To: Milton L Mueller; Lise Fuhr; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles Milton, It is ineffective to literally manage in a multistakeholder way but it is possible to respect and follow multistakeholder developed policies in managing. Chuck From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:55 PM To: Gomes, Chuck; Lise Fuhr; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles I dissent from principle g by the way. I could see why oversight of IANA might be multi-stakeholder, but management need not be. -MM From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]<mailto:[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]> On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:18 PM To: Lise Fuhr; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles I made a couple more edits in item g at the end of the document. Chuck From: Gomes, Chuck Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 4:12 PM To: 'Lise Fuhr'; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles I made a couple edits and suggested a third in my next to last comment. I also identified in my comments some possible action items that the CWG may need to perform as soon as possible assuming that the principles are adopted by the CWG. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]<mailto:[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]> On Behalf Of Lise Fuhr Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 8:34 AM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Principles Dear All, We hereby send you a redline and a clean version of the Principles document. For the unresolved part, staff has done a table. We recommend that we focus on the outstanding issues, that are identified in the comments. We welcome any inputs on either the comments or on the redline draft. The document will be finalized on the next call. Best regards, Martin and Lise _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship