I wanted to clarify some apparent misunderstandings from the discussion. For clarification, the IETF has, upon request from ICG, determined that it would be willing - if asked - to hold the trademarks and domains. We are awaiting ICG and other coordination to complete on this matter. An agreement to put the trademarks and domains into the IETF Trust has not been written, so it is premature to speculate on what possible additional constraints such a move would bring to the parties. However, the only possible purpose of the move could only be to guarantee that the three communities in question would always have the ability to employ them at their discretion. The IETF trust is a legal entity, unlike claimed in recent e-mail. FWIW, a few personal opinions follow. I agree with Alissa that the CWG should try work this issue out if you can before it reaches the ICG. Also, the text in the new version is a surprise to me. The way that I read it, it would make it impossible for the numbers and protocols folk to continue to use the trademarks. Which we have been doing for a long time. I think some coordination and correction may be needed. Jari Arkko, IETF Chair