Not sure I totally agree with you Seun. One of the concerns raised in the IOTF call was about creating two classes of employees. In my opinion it is desirable to avoid that and I think what you are suggesting would result in two classes. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Seun Ojedeji Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:36 AM To: Mathieu Weill Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations Hello, I agree most part of the 3 key points listed by Mathieu expect that on the last point; i don't think new staff specifically recruited for PTI must necessarily have same benefit as other staff; theirs may be more or less, what may be important is for them to be aware of the benefits before applying and finally being employed. IMO ensuring that current/existing staff that get seconded from ICANN to PTI receives their present benefits is what is most important. Regards On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> wrote: Hi everyone, I also am very keen to discuss on the basis of Greg’s comments. Like many ccTLDs, Afnic was created as a separate entity separated from a larger, well known Academic institution. The retention challenge was certainly even higher at that point because there was no guarantee on funding or even on the viability of the domain business at that point. From that experience, I can share some potential ideas for consideration to balance retention and independence, both in the short and long term for icann : - Ensuring that benefits, career perspectives and all other aspects of Icann HR policies remain accessible to PTI employees should be starting point. I’m sure lawyers can find a way to address this requirement. - Secondment could be used for existing Icann employees, for a duration of 3 year maximum, in order to provide continuity - New hires could be directly employed by PTI (with the same benefits as other staff) so that, over time, a smooth transition can be achieved. I am confident that an adequate balance can be found, adequately addressing the CWG requirements as well as legitimate staff expectations. Best Mathieu De : cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org>] De la part de kurt@kjpritz.com<mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com> Envoyé : jeudi 16 juin 2016 06:15 À : Greg Shatan; Jonathan Robinson Cc : cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Objet : Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations Hi Everyone: I thought that Greg's comments to the ICANN Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations merited a response focusing some operational aspects of the plan. To make it easier to read, I pasted Greg's comments into the document itself in italics and then followed those comments with my own. Thanks for taking the time to read these. i hope they are helpful to your thinking. Regards, Kurt --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> Date: 6/13/16 1:10 pm To: "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> Cc: "cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>" <cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>> All, My thoughts on the rationale explanation are on the attached document as marginal comments. Greg Shatan On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote: All, FYI. Please note We did not have an IOTF call today so have not yet had the opportunity to discuss this item. Jonathan From: Yuko Green [mailto:yuko.green@icann.org<mailto:yuko.green@icann.org>] Sent: 10 June 2016 18:05 To: iotf@icann.org<mailto:iotf@icann.org> Subject: [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations Dear members of the IOTF, Attached, please find the rationale for PTI staffing recommendations we have made in the PTI Implementation Approach document. We look forward to hearing any feedback you may have. Regards, Yuko Green Strategic Programs Manager Global Domains Division Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Direct Line: +1 310 578 8693<tel:%2B1%20310%20578%208693> Mobile: +1 310 745 1517<tel:%2B1%20310%20745%201517> E-mail: yuko.green@icann.org<mailto:yuko.green@icann.org> www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: <http://goog_1872880453> seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng<mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng> Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!