Hi, Predictions of how horrible things might be at a possible separation time aside, the most important consideration is satisfying the conditions of the CWG proposal for separability. Secondment strikes many as being outside the spirit of our recommendations. But in consideration of existing employee sentiments, continuity and stability it can be understood as a transition measure; albeit a slow one and not the flag day sort of transition proposal many count on and believe in. But to mandate that secondment be permanent for all future employees flies in the face of the recommendation for separability and makes a farce of it. I have also questioned the secondment of the PTI Manager/President role. Even in the first instance I do not believe this appropriate given the possibility for conflict of interest should there be a divergence between the PTI Board and ICANN on issues. The President of PTI needs to be fully committed to the PTI and not constrained by ICANN as employer. avri On 16-Jun-16 14:50, Christopher Wilkinson wrote:
Good evening:
At this late stage in the CWG debate, suffice it to say that in the light of my earlier comments on this matter, I support Kurt's approach and I do not support - indeed, I would be against - Greg's approach.
More generally, I am well aware that a discussion of the nuances of this issue could occupy several hours and many pages, that which we do not have time for now. Further discussion should be informed by a thorough knowledge of international best practice and of Californian and US labour laws. Which I myself and perhaps others do not have.
May I also highlight one of Kurt's comments:
/> "If this happens, we have bigger problems than terminating secondments. In this scenario, ICANN and PTI have failed in some way and the ICANN formed in 1998 is broken apart"/
Indeed. The multiple international parties to the 1998 creation of ICANN would not stand idly by in such an eventuality. Much else would come back onto the table, potentially of much greater significance than 'separation' or not.
Currently we benefit from the relative success, to date, of the multistakeholder model such that the International Governmental alternative is dormant. Separation would no doubt awake the alternative.
CW
On 16 Jun 2016, at 06:15, kurt@kjpritz.com <mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:
I thought that Greg's comments to the ICANN Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations merited a response focusing some operational aspects of the plan.
To make it easier to read, I pasted Greg's comments into the document itself in italics and then followed those comments with my own.
Thanks for taking the time to read these. i hope they are helpful to your thinking.
Regards,
Kurt
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> Date: 6/13/16 1:10 pm To: "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> Cc: "cwg-stewardship@icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>" <cwg-stewardship@icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>>
All,
My thoughts on the rationale explanation are on the attached document as marginal comments.
Greg Shatan
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
All,
FYI.
Please note We did not have an IOTF call today so have not yet had the opportunity to discuss this item.
Jonathan
*From:*Yuko Green [mailto:yuko.green@icann.org <mailto:yuko.green@icann.org>] *Sent:* 10 June 2016 18:05 *To:* iotf@icann.org <mailto:iotf@icann.org> *Subject:* [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations
Dear members of the IOTF,
Attached, please find the rationale for PTI staffing recommendations we have made in the PTI Implementation Approach document. We look forward to hearing any feedback you may have.
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