Well said Jari. Chuck Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> Date:06/21/2015 8:21 AM (GMT-05:00) To: "cwg-stewardship@icann.org IANA" <cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] ICG request concerning IANA trademark and http://iana.org domain name I think this thread has heated up a bit unnecessarily. Everybody relax! :-) Lets take a step back and look where we are. The first thing to recognise is that the actual CWG proposal under consideration is still fine. The text that we are debating is a part of an appendix that has some initial text for the implementation phase of the proposal. Not final text for agreements, nor even consider by the whole CWG. This text, and the implementation effort, is clearly subject to further work. So, we are talking about something that we all together need to get done in the implementation phase. Everybody in agreement with the above so far? Good. Maybe we could get this also acknowledged by the CWG chairs, which would reduce the worry on ICG and other community sides, I think. The second thing to recognise is that we all from the different communities have to be OK with whatever the final implementation is. I certainly hope we all are on board with this as well. Please also be mindful that various alternatives may have some impact on other community processes, including timelines. Hence the way that the ICG question was formulated. Of course, we still *do* need to find a way to implement this properly and have everyone agree. I won’t say more about what I think would be the right ways of doing that in this e-mail. But I will say one thing. No matter what the solution is, there will be specific agreements that specify what the rights and responsibilities are. Just because someone is holding something doesn’t mean everything is OK. That someone will have contracts with others granting them rights and will be contractually required to honour that and continue to point to iana.org subdomains or whatever technical solution is used for the domain part. Jari