Sean, Don’t you think the Design Team should discuss this and not be limited before they do their work? Chuck From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 7:43 AM To: Gomes, Chuck Cc: Martin Boyle; Jordan Carter; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Service Level Expectations Design Team Template Hello Chuck, In other to maximise time and hopefully reduce the volume query on DT outcome, i think the scope of work of the design team should be determined before leaving things to their creativity. One of such scope is for the DT not to introduce new SLE(A) requirements but ensure there are means to update the requirements post-transition. Regards On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@verisign.com<mailto:cgomes@verisign.com>> wrote: In my personal opinion, it is too early to decide that no changes should occur in the SLAs before transition. We should let the design team come up with recommendations on that. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Martin Boyle Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 5:49 AM To: Jordan Carter; Seun Ojedeji Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Service Level Expectations Design Team Template Hi Jordan, all, I liked your first compilation. I am less clear on what your amendment does: is it that the design team will seek to identify specific areas of SLA that should be amended before transition? In other words, that a revised SLA would need to be negotiated (let’s not forget that we are talking about an agreement and there are usually consequences on amending service levels). Without having any clear idea of what the design team might decide falls in this revised category, I’m not very happy with munging b) and c): processes that allow us to maintain the SLAs post transition and pre-transition changes. If it really is necessary to amend specific terms before transition, that is an additional step: 1. Pre-transition a) identification of any conditions that need to be amended or updated before transition and what needs to be done in order to address these concerns; b) porting across existing service level obligations to the post-transition environment; and c) creating the possibility of reviewing and changing them in future. 2. Post-transition d) Regular reviewing and updating the substantive content The design team would therefore look at a)-c). And I would expect there to be very few – and clearly justified – items under a). Martin From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Carter Sent: 01 March 2015 07:17 To: Seun Ojedeji Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Service Level Expectations Design Team Template I've thought of a b/c mid point complication: It is: whether anything needs to be added to currently documented SLA standards to allow the transition to be acceptable to any key customer community. That's not a wholesale review but it's a little more than b), while respecting the need for conservatism and efficiency.... Jordan On Sunday, 1 March 2015, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> wrote: +1 to Jordan's specific suggestion as well; considering that everything works just fine right now is an indication that repeating the current SLA would at least maintain status quo. Will be good if that methodology is applied to other design teams as much as possible. The goal is to build a stronger ICANN and so long as we have a multistakeholder means/process to do that, then our job is done. Cheers! sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 1 Mar 2015 01:46, "Chris Disspain" <ceo@auda.org.au<mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> wrote: You read me right, man ;-) Cheers, Chris On 1 Mar 2015, at 11:35 , Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz<mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz>> wrote: Hi all, I think Chris's proposal makes sense too in logically separating: a) porting across existing service level obligations to the post-transition environment; b) creating the possibility of reviewing and changing them in future; and c) reviewing and updating the substantive content If I read him right a) and b) should be done, but c) should not. That might trim the work this design team needs to do and make finalising the names community proposal easier... cheers Jordan On 1 March 2015 at 08:56, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote: Hi, Makes sense to me. avri On 28-Feb-15 18:43, Chris Disspain wrote: On that basis I wonder whether we would not be better served by accepting the current status quo and building a mechanism for review and negotiated changes to those service levels that could be employed immediately after transition and on an ongoing basis. Thoughts? ________________________________ [http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png]<http://www.avast.com/> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com<http://www.avast.com/> _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship -- Jordan Carter Chief Executive InternetNZ 04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649<tel:%2B64%2021%20442%20649> (mob) jordan@internetnz.net.nz<mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz> Skype: jordancarter A better world through a better Internet _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship -- Jordan Carter Chief Executive, InternetNZ +64-21-442-649<tel:%2B64-21-442-649> | jordan@internetnz.net.nz<mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz> Sent on the run, apologies for brevity -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: <http://goog_1872880453> seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng<mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng> The key to understanding is humility - my view !