that¹s an approach. I think it is more complicated than necessary, and I don¹t see what it accomplishes that we can¹t do through an SLA Council and contracts. J. Beckwith Burr Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006 Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz On 10/23/14, 11:51 AM, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
<html> Lets say that there is an agreement to that, where and how do we find the balance? What will be the preference management mechanism? There are a whole set of governance and legal problems here that are just not comprehendible in the current organizational structure and circumstances.
One way is to forget all these debates and deal with IANA to be a separate independent entity and contract its relationships with ICANN and any other future organizations? Whats the possible governance structure then? Private or Public? Compliance and enforcement would be the kill switch approach? On whose call? Accountability? How?
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> wrote:
No matter how attractive it may be to think about subjecting ICANN to the laws of every country around the world, I actually think that is a bad idea for everyone. That said, no matter where ICANN is incorporated, it can always agree that disputes will be resolved in accordance with the law of a specific country and in a designated physical venue.
J. Beckwith Burr Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006 Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile: +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz
On 10/23/14, 11:27 AM, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
<html> And thats an important aspect to realize that ICANN is till registered under US Law as a non-profit corporation??? That may bring us back to that very old discussion that how is IANA impacted if it were to remain under ICANN and its longstanding US non-profit laws abiding situation? Opening offices around the world doesn't move ICANN out of US Law bindings.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
I think those are defined in the NTIA requirement with perhaps the biggest one being the no governmental/intergovernmental replacement.
Cheers!
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On 23 Oct 2014 01:55, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to understand what are the boundaries or limits of the IANA contract that should not be crossed at all in the transition design? I am thinking from outward to inwards...
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
I see at least 1 other category and another entry for the Accountabilty category
the new Category is Separability.
In order to reproduce the NTIA contract, it has to be possible for the Naming policy groups of ICANN to become dissatisfied and move the contract for the function elsewhere. This is the correlate of the IETF capability. Other principles such as stabilty mean this can't just happen willy nilly, but there must be some sort of periodic opportunity this to happen. Or perhaps a 6 month clause like the IETF has. while there are several ways to do this, I think it critical that the plan include the possiblity and the means.
And the new bullets in accountability
- There needs to be a mechanism for an enforceable means of redress. Whether it is achieved by binding arbitration, some sort of juridical system or a yet to be named capability, it has to be possible for there to be an accessible and relaible mean of redress.
- We need to decide to whom it is accountable. The stakeholders? The policy process? the registries? the registrants? the users? Accountabilty must be accountabilty to someone. I beleive it is the stakeholders, but that probably needs to be further defined. Do we mean the multiplicity of stakeholder groups ICANN has? Or do we mean to a Tunis Agenda model of stakeholders? Some other model?
The answers to the principle questions will say a lot about the kind of solution we might come up with.
thanks
avri
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