SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition
Wanted to let those involved in this CWG that SAC069, SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition has now been published. It is available at the following URL - https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf Regards Robert
I finally had a chance to review SAC069 and I believe that the CWG needs to take into consideration the SSAC recommendations as they apply to the IANA naming functions. In addition, I recommend that the CWG consider endorsing the SSAC principles contained in SAC069 in addition to the CWG principles; there is a little overlap but I do not think that is a problem. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:05 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Wanted to let those involved in this CWG that SAC069, SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition has now been published. It is available at the following URL - https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf Regards Robert
On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@verisign.com> wrote:
I finally had a chance to review SAC069 and I believe that the CWG needs to take into consideration the SSAC recommendations as they apply to the IANA naming functions. In addition, I recommend that the CWG consider endorsing the SSAC principles contained in SAC069 in addition to the CWG principles; there is a little overlap but I do not think that is a problem.
Chuck, Thanks for referring to SAC 069. Let me share a link to the document and below copy/paste the recommendations for the CWG to read. regards Robert SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf Recommendation 1: The operational communities (protocol parameters, names, and numbers) that have been invited to submit proposals should determine 1) whether or not the requirements and deliverables defined in the IANA Functions Contract should be retained, and if so which ones; 2) whether or not additional external controls are necessary for requirements that should be retained; and 3) if additional external controls are necessary, how and by whom they should be administered. Recommendation 2a: Each of the communities should determine whether or not existing mechanisms outside of the IANA Functions Contract are sufficiently robust to hold the IANA Functions Operator accountable to the affected communities for the proper performance of the IANA Functions after the IANA Functions Contract expires; and if they are not, the communities should determine what additional accountability mechanisms will be needed. Recommendation 2b: Each of the communities should review and (if necessary) enhance its policy development process to ensure that all of the instructions that it provides to the IANA Functions Operator are clear and implementable. Recommendation 3: Each of the communities should investigate and clarify the process for handling the possibility of governmental sanctions and restrictions (e.g., the protocol for obtaining OFAC9 licenses where US sanctions might interfere with the ability to execute proper instructions to IANA) following the stewardship transition. Recommendation 4: As part of the transition process, each of the affected communities should consider the extent to which the importance of transparency and freedom from improper influence in the performance of the IANA Functions might require additional mechanisms or other safeguards. Recommendation 5: Noting the stability and efficiency of existing structures, processes, and mechanisms for the management of the root zone, the SSAC recommends that any proposal to replace NTIA’s final authorization of root zone changes with an alternative be at least as reliable, resilient, and efficient as the current process. Recommendation 6: Effective arrangements should be made for the reliable and timely performance of all aspects of the root zone management process posttransition, including inter-organization coordination if the post-transition RZM process involves more than one root zone management partner. Recommendation 7: NTIA should clarify the processes and legal framework associated with the role of the Root Zone Maintainer after transition
Can you tell us more about how the principles are relevant to our work? From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:20 AM To: Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition I finally had a chance to review SAC069 and I believe that the CWG needs to take into consideration the SSAC recommendations as they apply to the IANA naming functions. In addition, I recommend that the CWG consider endorsing the SSAC principles contained in SAC069 in addition to the CWG principles; there is a little overlap but I do not think that is a problem. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:05 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Wanted to let those involved in this CWG that SAC069, SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition has now been published. It is available at the following URL - https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf Regards Robert
Milton, I am surprised you asked that. They seemed like clear fits to what we are doing. I think it would be better if you identified any that you don’t think I apply and why you think that. Chuck From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:51 PM To: Gomes, Chuck; Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Can you tell us more about how the principles are relevant to our work? From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]<mailto:[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]> On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:20 AM To: Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition I finally had a chance to review SAC069 and I believe that the CWG needs to take into consideration the SSAC recommendations as they apply to the IANA naming functions. In addition, I recommend that the CWG consider endorsing the SSAC principles contained in SAC069 in addition to the CWG principles; there is a little overlap but I do not think that is a problem. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:05 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Wanted to let those involved in this CWG that SAC069, SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition has now been published. It is available at the following URL - https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf Regards Robert
There is a great deal in here that is relevant to our work (indeed, virtually all of it). In many cases, we are already deeply embroiled in examining the issues and resolving the concerns that SAC069 highlights; in other cases, this serves to point us to (and/or remind us of) issues that require further or refreshed focus. In any event, and especially since the SSAC is one of our chartering organizations -- and one of the organizations that must approve our proposal -- it behooves us to give SAC069 substantial consideration and review. Indeed, SAC069 gives us a preview of the concerns that we must address in order to reasonably ask the SSAC to approve any proposal the CWG puts forth. We should give SAC069 specific attention at the eariest appropriate time. Greg On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@verisign.com> wrote:
Milton,
I am surprised you asked that. They seemed like clear fits to what we are doing. I think it would be better if you identified any that you don’t think I apply and why you think that.
Chuck
*From:* Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] *Sent:* Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:51 PM *To:* Gomes, Chuck; Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition
Can you tell us more about how the principles are relevant to our work?
*From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Gomes, Chuck *Sent:* Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:20 AM *To:* Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition
I finally had a chance to review SAC069 and I believe that the CWG needs to take into consideration the SSAC recommendations as they apply to the IANA naming functions. In addition, I recommend that the CWG consider endorsing the SSAC principles contained in SAC069 in addition to the CWG principles; there is a little overlap but I do not think that is a problem.
Chuck
*From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Robert Guerra *Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:05 PM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition
Wanted to let those involved in this CWG that SAC069, SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition has now been published. It is available at the following URL -
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf
Regards
Robert
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Chuck I think you’re interpreting my question in the wrong way. It’s not that I think aspects of the report don’t apply, I was just asking you if you thought specific principles would help us to resolve any of the key controversies we are engaged in (e.g., external contracting vs. internal; recurring contracting vs. “nuclear option”) and if so how. If my messages from yesterday were brief it’s because they were sent from airports on a mobile phone ;-) --MM From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 8:38 PM To: Milton L Mueller; Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Milton, I am surprised you asked that. They seemed like clear fits to what we are doing. I think it would be better if you identified any that you don’t think I apply and why you think that. Chuck From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:51 PM To: Gomes, Chuck; Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Can you tell us more about how the principles are relevant to our work? From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]<mailto:[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]> On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:20 AM To: Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition I finally had a chance to review SAC069 and I believe that the CWG needs to take into consideration the SSAC recommendations as they apply to the IANA naming functions. In addition, I recommend that the CWG consider endorsing the SSAC principles contained in SAC069 in addition to the CWG principles; there is a little overlap but I do not think that is a problem. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:05 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Wanted to let those involved in this CWG that SAC069, SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition has now been published. It is available at the following URL - https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf Regards Robert
Thanks for clarifying Milton. I did misunderstand. Like the CWG’s own principles I think they can serve as checks when we consider various options. Let me use the Conservatism principle as an example. In reviewing the CWG Frankfurt proposal, by applying the Conservatism principle, I can as whether “the number, scope, and impact of changes to existing structures, processes, and mechanisms . . . absolutely necessary to maintain the integrity of the performance of IANA Functions”. I am sure different CWG participants would answer this question differently. Some who support the internal to ICANN approach might say ‘no’. Those who support the Frankfurt proposal might answer yes. When we try to reconcile the different positions, we can then look at the proposed structures, processes and mechanisms to see we can reduce or simply them to better ensure ‘the integrity of the performance of IANA Functions’. Of course we definitely should not apply principles in isolation on any given elements of a proposal. In some cases principles will conflict and we may have to give more weight to one principle than another because of an objective that we deem critical. To follow on in what I said regarding the Conservatism principle, some in the CWG will likely think that the Transferability principle should be weighted heavier, especially in cases where performance issues are serious. Hope this helps. Chuck From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:58 AM To: Gomes, Chuck; 'Robert Guerra'; 'cwg-stewardship@icann.org' Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Chuck I think you’re interpreting my question in the wrong way. It’s not that I think aspects of the report don’t apply, I was just asking you if you thought specific principles would help us to resolve any of the key controversies we are engaged in (e.g., external contracting vs. internal; recurring contracting vs. “nuclear option”) and if so how. If my messages from yesterday were brief it’s because they were sent from airports on a mobile phone ;-) --MM From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]<mailto:[mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 8:38 PM To: Milton L Mueller; Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Milton, I am surprised you asked that. They seemed like clear fits to what we are doing. I think it would be better if you identified any that you don’t think I apply and why you think that. Chuck From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:51 PM To: Gomes, Chuck; Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Can you tell us more about how the principles are relevant to our work? From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]<mailto:[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org]> On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:20 AM To: Robert Guerra; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition I finally had a chance to review SAC069 and I believe that the CWG needs to take into consideration the SSAC recommendations as they apply to the IANA naming functions. In addition, I recommend that the CWG consider endorsing the SSAC principles contained in SAC069 in addition to the CWG principles; there is a little overlap but I do not think that is a problem. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:05 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition Wanted to let those involved in this CWG that SAC069, SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition has now been published. It is available at the following URL - https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-069-en.pdf Regards Robert
Like the CWG’s own principles I think they can serve as checks when we consider various options. Let me use the Conservatism principle as an example.
Got it, Chuck. Let’s keep in mind that there has _always_ been an external contracting authority for the IANA functions as long as ICANN has existed. A move to an IANA functions operator without one is an innovation, and could be considered a major departure from the conservatism principle. While there is room for debate on what option is most ‘conservative,’ I think I am on fairly firm ground when I object to the tendency of advocates of an internal solution to assume away the NTIA, its contract, its contracting cycle, its embeddedness in a particular national government, and the Verisign Cooperative Agreement – as if those things were not deeply important parts of “existing structures, processes and mechanisms.” Let’s be absolutely clear that both systems are instituting change. --MM
Milton, One of the subjects that the CWG has not discussed much is whether there needs to be contract. I personally think we need to discuss that question regardless of what solution people prefer. Chuck From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:22 PM To: Gomes, Chuck; 'Robert Guerra'; 'cwg-stewardship@icann.org' Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] SAC069: SSAC Advisory on Maintaining the Security and Stability of the IANA Functions Through the Stewardship Transition
Like the CWG’s own principles I think they can serve as checks when we consider various options. Let me use the Conservatism principle as an example.
Got it, Chuck. Let’s keep in mind that there has _always_ been an external contracting authority for the IANA functions as long as ICANN has existed. A move to an IANA functions operator without one is an innovation, and could be considered a major departure from the conservatism principle. While there is room for debate on what option is most ‘conservative,’ I think I am on fairly firm ground when I object to the tendency of advocates of an internal solution to assume away the NTIA, its contract, its contracting cycle, its embeddedness in a particular national government, and the Verisign Cooperative Agreement – as if those things were not deeply important parts of “existing structures, processes and mechanisms.” Let’s be absolutely clear that both systems are instituting change. --MM
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