FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?
Dear all, This has been shared today via the IANA transition list. Apologies for cross-posting. Best regards Camino From: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch<mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> Date: November 20, 2014 at 11:21:50 EST To: "Ianatransition@Icann. Org" <ianatransition@icann.org<mailto:ianatransition@icann.org>> Cc: "Rhill@Alum. Mit. Edu" <rhill@alum.mit.edu<mailto:rhill@alum.mit.edu>> Subject: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill? Reply-To: <rhill@hill-a.ch<mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> Does anybody know anything about the attached? Best, Richard
Many bills are introduced in the US Congress. Few are enacted and signed into law. The current Congress ends in just a few weeks and this bill will need to be reintroduced in 2015. Based on my soundings I expect there will be increased Congressional oversight of the IANA transition and ICANN accountability in the new Congress that starts in January. It is entirely premature to speculate whether those hearings will result in any legislative proposals. While Republicans will control the Senate for the next two years any legislation would need at least some bipartisan support to move forward. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Camino.MANJON@ec.europa.eu Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:49 AM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill? Dear all, This has been shared today via the IANA transition list. Apologies for cross-posting. Best regards Camino From: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch<mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> Date: November 20, 2014 at 11:21:50 EST To: "Ianatransition@Icann. Org<mailto:Ianatransition@Icann.%20Org>" <ianatransition@icann.org<mailto:ianatransition@icann.org>> Cc: "Rhill@Alum. Mit. Edu<mailto:Rhill@Alum.%20Mit.%20Edu>" <rhill@alum.mit.edu<mailto:rhill@alum.mit.edu>> Subject: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill? Reply-To: <rhill@hill-a.ch<mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> Does anybody know anything about the attached? Best, Richard ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4189/8526 - Release Date: 11/07/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
Agree with Philip's analysis of the situation. IMHO developments to track in Washington D.C. over the coming months include: - Efforts by ICANN and others to brief congressional staffers, congressional members, and key think tanks in the DC area in regards to the IANA transition. - Extent (or not) of bipartisan support for the IANA transition as proposed by the communities - Report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) on ICANN/IANA. Report once released will likely form the basis of one or more congressional hearings. - Efforts my congressional members to introduce bills and/or amendments related to IANA/ICANN issues in the appropriations process. NTIA funding, for instance could be made conditional to changes to IANA and/or ICANN regards Robert On 2014-11-20 11:56 AM, Phil Corwin wrote:
Many bills are introduced in the US Congress. Few are enacted and signed into law. The current Congress ends in just a few weeks and this bill will need to be reintroduced in 2015.
Based on my soundings I expect there will be increased Congressional oversight of the IANA transition and ICANN accountability in the new Congress that starts in January. It is entirely premature to speculate whether those hearings will result in any legislative proposals. While Republicans will control the Senate for the next two years any legislation would need at least some bipartisan support to move forward.
*Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal*
*Virtualaw LLC*
*1155 F Street, NW*
*Suite 1050*
*Washington, DC 20004*
*202-559-8597/Direct*
*202-559-8750/Fax*
*202-255-6172/cell***
* *
*Twitter: @VlawDC*
*/"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/*
*From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Camino.MANJON@ec.europa.eu *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:49 AM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?
Dear all,
This has been shared today via the IANA transition list.
Apologies for cross-posting.
Best regards
Camino
*From:*Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> *Date:* November 20, 2014 at 11:21:50 EST *To:* "Ianatransition@Icann. Org <mailto:Ianatransition@Icann.%20Org>" <ianatransition@icann.org <mailto:ianatransition@icann.org>> *Cc:* "Rhill@Alum. Mit. Edu <mailto:Rhill@Alum.%20Mit.%20Edu>" <rhill@alum.mit.edu <mailto:rhill@alum.mit.edu>> *Subject:* *[ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?* *Reply-To:* <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>>
Does anybody know anything about the attached?
Best,
Richard
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Robert - I agree that we have to pay very close attention to what is going on in DC. We should consider briefing Congressional staffers ourselves to supplement what ICANN may be saying. -----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: November-22-14 2:39 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill? Agree with Philip's analysis of the situation. IMHO developments to track in Washington D.C. over the coming months include: - Efforts by ICANN and others to brief congressional staffers, congressional members, and key think tanks in the DC area in regards to the IANA transition. - Extent (or not) of bipartisan support for the IANA transition as proposed by the communities - Report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) on ICANN/IANA. Report once released will likely form the basis of one or more congressional hearings. - Efforts my congressional members to introduce bills and/or amendments related to IANA/ICANN issues in the appropriations process. NTIA funding, for instance could be made conditional to changes to IANA and/or ICANN regards Robert On 2014-11-20 11:56 AM, Phil Corwin wrote:
Many bills are introduced in the US Congress. Few are enacted and signed into law. The current Congress ends in just a few weeks and this bill will need to be reintroduced in 2015.
Based on my soundings I expect there will be increased Congressional oversight of the IANA transition and ICANN accountability in the new Congress that starts in January. It is entirely premature to speculate whether those hearings will result in any legislative proposals. While Republicans will control the Senate for the next two years any legislation would need at least some bipartisan support to move forward.
*Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal*
*Virtualaw LLC*
*1155 F Street, NW*
*Suite 1050*
*Washington, DC 20004*
*202-559-8597/Direct*
*202-559-8750/Fax*
*202-255-6172/cell***
* *
*Twitter: @VlawDC*
*/"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/*
*From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Camino.MANJON@ec.europa.eu *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:49 AM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?
Dear all,
This has been shared today via the IANA transition list.
Apologies for cross-posting.
Best regards
Camino
*From:*Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> *Date:* November 20, 2014 at 11:21:50 EST *To:* "Ianatransition@Icann. Org <mailto:Ianatransition@Icann.%20Org>" <ianatransition@icann.org <mailto:ianatransition@icann.org>> *Cc:* "Rhill@Alum. Mit. Edu <mailto:Rhill@Alum.%20Mit.%20Edu>" <rhill@alum.mit.edu <mailto:rhill@alum.mit.edu>> *Subject:* *[ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?* *Reply-To:* <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>>
Does anybody know anything about the attached?
Best,
Richard
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Hi, On 23-Nov-14 00:35, Allan MacGillivray wrote:
Robert - I agree that we have to pay very close attention to what is going on in DC. We should consider briefing Congressional staffers ourselves to supplement what ICANN may be saying.
Wouldn't this be something to do once we had a solution we could argue was a community wide consensus decision. As far as I can tell we are not there yet, and perhaps not even close. avri
Agree with Avri. Once we have an agreed approach to the solution we can brief Washington DC people. Before that, we could actually be exacerbating the perception of some in DC that NTIA's exit leads to uncertainty and risk. From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:43 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [] A new proposed US bill? Hi, On 23-Nov-14 00:35, Allan MacGillivray wrote: Robert - I agree that we have to pay very close attention to what is going on in DC. We should consider briefing Congressional staffers ourselves to supplement what ICANN may be saying. Wouldn't this be something to do once we had a solution we could argue was a community wide consensus decision. As far as I can tell we are not there yet, and perhaps not even close. avri
I agree with Avri as well. We should not do anything until there was a proposal that had been accepted by the community. My point was that it would be more appropriate for the multistakeholder community, as opposed to ICANN, to brief Congressional staffers. From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: November-23-14 12:11 PM To: Avri Doria; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [] A new proposed US bill? Agree with Avri. Once we have an agreed approach to the solution we can brief Washington DC people. Before that, we could actually be exacerbating the perception of some in DC that NTIA's exit leads to uncertainty and risk. From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:43 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [] A new proposed US bill? Hi, On 23-Nov-14 00:35, Allan MacGillivray wrote: Robert - I agree that we have to pay very close attention to what is going on in DC. We should consider briefing Congressional staffers ourselves to supplement what ICANN may be saying. Wouldn't this be something to do once we had a solution we could argue was a community wide consensus decision. As far as I can tell we are not there yet, and perhaps not even close. avri
Briefings in DC don't just happen.... to be effective a lot of prep needs to happen. For instance, IMHO, lot of advance planning and identification of members, key staffers and think tanks in DC need to be done. I believe that's something that can be done now in advance of a proposal being finalized. what do others think? Robert On 2014-11-23 12:24 PM, Allan MacGillivray wrote:
I agree with Avri as well. We should not do anything until there was a proposal that had been accepted by the community. My point was that it would be more appropriate for the multistakeholder community, as opposed to ICANN, to brief Congressional staffers.
*From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Milton L Mueller *Sent:* November-23-14 12:11 PM *To:* Avri Doria; cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [] A new proposed US bill?
Agree with Avri. Once we have an agreed approach to the solution we can brief Washington DC people.
Before that, we could actually be exacerbating the perception of some in DC that NTIA’s exit leads to uncertainty and risk.
*From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria *Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:43 PM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [] A new proposed US bill?
Hi,
On 23-Nov-14 00:35, Allan MacGillivray wrote:
Robert - I agree that we have to pay very close attention to what is going on in DC. We should consider briefing Congressional staffers ourselves to supplement what ICANN may be saying.
Wouldn't this be something to do once we had a solution we could argue was a community wide consensus decision.
As far as I can tell we are not there yet, and perhaps not even close.
avri
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Thanks. Don't view Congress as an adversary. There's broad bipartisan support for the multistakeholder model. When the message is "support the stakeholders" it resonates. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/Cell Twitter: @VLawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey Sent from my iPad
On Nov 22, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> wrote:
Agree with Philip's analysis of the situation.
IMHO developments to track in Washington D.C. over the coming months include:
- Efforts by ICANN and others to brief congressional staffers, congressional members, and key think tanks in the DC area in regards to the IANA transition.
- Extent (or not) of bipartisan support for the IANA transition as proposed by the communities
- Report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) on ICANN/IANA. Report once released will likely form the basis of one or more congressional hearings.
- Efforts my congressional members to introduce bills and/or amendments related to IANA/ICANN issues in the appropriations process. NTIA funding, for instance could be made conditional to changes to IANA and/or ICANN
regards
Robert
On 2014-11-20 11:56 AM, Phil Corwin wrote: Many bills are introduced in the US Congress. Few are enacted and signed into law. The current Congress ends in just a few weeks and this bill will need to be reintroduced in 2015.
Based on my soundings I expect there will be increased Congressional oversight of the IANA transition and ICANN accountability in the new Congress that starts in January. It is entirely premature to speculate whether those hearings will result in any legislative proposals. While Republicans will control the Senate for the next two years any legislation would need at least some bipartisan support to move forward.
*Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal*
*Virtualaw LLC*
*1155 F Street, NW*
*Suite 1050*
*Washington, DC 20004*
*202-559-8597/Direct*
*202-559-8750/Fax*
*202-255-6172/cell***
* *
*Twitter: @VlawDC*
*/"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/*
*From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Camino.MANJON@ec.europa.eu *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:49 AM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?
Dear all,
This has been shared today via the IANA transition list.
Apologies for cross-posting.
Best regards
Camino
*From:*Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> *Date:* November 20, 2014 at 11:21:50 EST *To:* "Ianatransition@Icann. Org <mailto:Ianatransition@Icann.%20Org>" <ianatransition@icann.org <mailto:ianatransition@icann.org>> *Cc:* "Rhill@Alum. Mit. Edu <mailto:Rhill@Alum.%20Mit.%20Edu>" <rhill@alum.mit.edu <mailto:rhill@alum.mit.edu>> *Subject:* *[ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?* *Reply-To:* <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>>
Does anybody know anything about the attached?
Best,
Richard
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Hi Robert, Just curious as i am trying to connect the dots; i am wondering why we(and i presume the "we" refers to the cwg...no?) need to brief them on anything? If there is any briefing or talking to be done, wouldn’t that be the role of the NTIA and perhaps ICANN (as the current operator).? Cheers! On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> wrote:
Agree with Philip's analysis of the situation.
IMHO developments to track in Washington D.C. over the coming months include:
- Efforts by ICANN and others to brief congressional staffers, congressional members, and key think tanks in the DC area in regards to the IANA transition.
- Extent (or not) of bipartisan support for the IANA transition as proposed by the communities
- Report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) on ICANN/IANA. Report once released will likely form the basis of one or more congressional hearings.
- Efforts my congressional members to introduce bills and/or amendments related to IANA/ICANN issues in the appropriations process. NTIA funding, for instance could be made conditional to changes to IANA and/or ICANN
regards
Robert
On 2014-11-20 11:56 AM, Phil Corwin wrote:
Many bills are introduced in the US Congress. Few are enacted and signed into law. The current Congress ends in just a few weeks and this bill will need to be reintroduced in 2015.
Based on my soundings I expect there will be increased Congressional oversight of the IANA transition and ICANN accountability in the new Congress that starts in January. It is entirely premature to speculate whether those hearings will result in any legislative proposals. While Republicans will control the Senate for the next two years any legislation would need at least some bipartisan support to move forward.
*Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal*
*Virtualaw LLC*
*1155 F Street, NW*
*Suite 1050*
*Washington, DC 20004*
*202-559-8597/Direct*
*202-559-8750/Fax*
*202-255-6172/cell***
* *
*Twitter: @VlawDC*
*/"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/*
*From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Camino.MANJON@ec.europa.eu *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:49 AM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?
Dear all,
This has been shared today via the IANA transition list.
Apologies for cross-posting.
Best regards
Camino
*From:*Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> *Date:* November 20, 2014 at 11:21:50 EST *To:* "Ianatransition@Icann. Org <mailto:Ianatransition@Icann.%20Org>" <ianatransition@icann.org <mailto:ianatransition@icann.org>> *Cc:* "Rhill@Alum. Mit. Edu <mailto:Rhill@Alum.%20Mit.%20Edu>" <rhill@alum.mit.edu <mailto:rhill@alum.mit.edu>> *Subject:* *[ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?* *Reply-To:* <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>>
Does anybody know anything about the attached?
Best,
Richard
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The response from Chip Sharp was also worth reading: /"You can use govtrack to find bills and follow them./ // /For this specific bill:/ // /https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5737/ // / / // /According to govtrack’s prognosis, it has a 4% chance of getting past committee and a 1% chance of being enacted.//"/ In other words, let's not waste time on this. Also - I'm all for NTIA to deal with congress etc. It's not at all our work to track this. It's worth knowing & if individual members feel like lobbying their congress people, but not the job of this group. Kind regards, Olivier On 20/11/2014 17:49, Camino.MANJON@ec.europa.eu wrote:
Dear all,
This has been shared today via the IANA transition list.
Apologies for cross-posting.
Best regards
Camino
*From:* Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>> *Date:* November 20, 2014 at 11:21:50 EST *To:* "Ianatransition@Icann. Org" <ianatransition@icann.org <mailto:ianatransition@icann.org>> *Cc:* "Rhill@Alum. Mit. Edu" <rhill@alum.mit.edu <mailto:rhill@alum.mit.edu>> *Subject:* *[ianatransition] A new proposed US bill?* *Reply-To:* <rhill@hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch>>
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I think we should pay attention to this bill, but for reasons unrelated to its chance of passage _in this Congress_ (remember, Republicans will control the next Congress; the probabilities will change). We should pay attention to it because it is, in effect, the advancement of a "straw man proposal" by a particular group (US-based 'parliamentarians', to use the European term). There are some very good ideas and some very bad ideas in this proposal - I intend to blog on this topic sometime next week. I would call your attention specifically to the Internet freedom concerns and safeguards in the bill. We should also pay attention to it because the bill provides a very good benchmark for preparing for the kind of questions that the NTIA is likely to be asked after they get a complete proposal from the ICG and begin to implement it. The Kelly bill can be considered a list of the concerns that US-based interests are going to be using to assess the final proposal. The GAO Report is equally important in this regard. Ignore them at your peril. --MM From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:30 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill? The response from Chip Sharp was also worth reading: "You can use govtrack to find bills and follow them. For this specific bill: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5737 According to govtrack's prognosis, it has a 4% chance of getting past committee and a 1% chance of being enacted." In other words, let's not waste time on this. Also - I'm all for NTIA to deal with congress etc. It's not at all our work to track this. It's worth knowing & if individual members feel like lobbying their congress people, but not the job of this group. Kind regards, Olivier
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
We should also pay attention to it because the bill provides a very good benchmark for preparing for the kind of questions that the NTIA is likely to be asked after they get a complete proposal from the ICG and begin to implement it. The Kelly bill can be considered a list of the concerns that US-based interests are going to be using to assess the final proposal. The GAO Report is equally important in this regard. Ignore them at your peril.
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Dear Milton, On 23/11/2014 21:39, Milton L Mueller wrote:
We should also pay attention to it because the bill provides a very good benchmark for preparing for the kind of questions that the NTIA is likely to be asked after they get a complete proposal from the ICG and begin to implement it. The Kelly bill can be considered a list of the concerns that US-based interests are going to be using to assess the final proposal. The GAO Report is equally important in this regard. Ignore them at your peril.
I stand corrected. You are making some very valuable arguments & I misunderstood the reason for paying attention. Thank you for your advice. Kindest regards, Olivier
Agree with Milton here. To be clear, I was not advocating lobbying by the CWG, merely responding to questions about the bill and the DC process. Lobbying implies advocacy for or against a specific legislative proposal, and amendments thereto. I doubt this group wants to get into the line of any fire between the Administration and Congress that may develop. Plus lobbying of that kind requires formal registration, or else it's illegal. But I do think the CWG should think about explaining its work product to both the US executive and legislative branches, which are coequal under the Constitution. There will be numerous oversight hearings as well as related programs at think tanks and other venues. ICANN's lobbyists advocate its views as a corporate entity. NTIA advocates the Administration's position. Do you want to have them explaining the what and why of whatever you come up with, or would you prefer to do that directly? Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 3:39 PM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill? I think we should pay attention to this bill, but for reasons unrelated to its chance of passage _in this Congress_ (remember, Republicans will control the next Congress; the probabilities will change). We should pay attention to it because it is, in effect, the advancement of a "straw man proposal" by a particular group (US-based 'parliamentarians', to use the European term). There are some very good ideas and some very bad ideas in this proposal - I intend to blog on this topic sometime next week. I would call your attention specifically to the Internet freedom concerns and safeguards in the bill. We should also pay attention to it because the bill provides a very good benchmark for preparing for the kind of questions that the NTIA is likely to be asked after they get a complete proposal from the ICG and begin to implement it. The Kelly bill can be considered a list of the concerns that US-based interests are going to be using to assess the final proposal. The GAO Report is equally important in this regard. Ignore them at your peril. --MM From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:30 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [ianatransition] A new proposed US bill? The response from Chip Sharp was also worth reading: "You can use govtrack to find bills and follow them. For this specific bill: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5737 According to govtrack's prognosis, it has a 4% chance of getting past committee and a 1% chance of being enacted." In other words, let's not waste time on this. Also - I'm all for NTIA to deal with congress etc. It's not at all our work to track this. It's worth knowing & if individual members feel like lobbying their congress people, but not the job of this group. Kind regards, Olivier ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4189/8526 - Release Date: 11/07/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
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Allan MacGillivray -
Avri Doria -
Camino.MANJON＠ec.europa.eu -
Carlton Samuels -
Milton L Mueller -
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond -
Phil Corwin -
Robert Guerra -
Seun Ojedeji