I would second suggestion of Dusan that we actually ask out volunteer members what is the time they prefer to have a call. Also, it would be helpful if there is rough consensus on procedure - I pointed out several inconsistencies of current plan and proposed to write timeline in relative days so it can be more realistically converted to calendar plan. This is something that needs to be done before people are assigned to steps of the project (I would also agree with Dusan that everybody have to vote on decisions instead of top-down "Socialist" approach that was implied.) I also wait ft apology for for use of Stalin references during our F2F meeting by MY.
On 27 окт. 2015, at 16:46, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:
Thanks Dusan!
Dear Sarmad, can we schedule asap the conf-call of the group with agenda: 1. Defining the roles and procedures relating to the responsibilities of members GP for implementing points working plan. 2. Defining the points responsibility of members GP in working plan on base of the members propositions. 3. Voting for final version "Proposal for the Generation Panel for the Cyrillic Script Label Generation Ruleset for the Root Zone".
Regards, Yuri
Tuesday, October 27, 2015, 3:59:54 PM, you wrote:
Dear all, Completely agree with Yakushev's suggestion, but if we go this way, we need clear procedures for responsibility. Which ones? Responsibility is coming with a procedure of punishment and awarding. If there is no such procedure, in a group of volunteers, it's useless. Let me rephrase that. Who is responsible for one year of going in circles in this group? What is the punishment for that? Let me rephrase again - to be crystal clear. It was obvious that the document was generally acceptable when I sent first version. Main thing was to make a good working plan acceptable for all. This was the task for Dublin f2f meeting. It was opportunity to work together to develop a plan. And you all did everything else besides that. What was the goal of that meeting? To finish the doc and to vote (with rasing hands), to adopt and to send final proposal. Or to make another useless (more-or-less) meeting. Why did You worked on Sunday before Dublin? From my point of view, what you did - you throw the money through windows in Dublin. Vaste opportunity and vaste of time ... And again - after a full year of "work", there's nothing what I can even consider as "ASAP thing". I will try for the last time to explain what we need - conference call. It needs to be schedule via doodle poll, or something like that, to have near all members on the call. Without them, it's useless. The agenda for that call should be simple: - Defining the problems and solutions for all things that brings us to this point (roles, procedures, responsibilities...) - defining working plan - Voting for final doc The result must be final proposal, adopted by everyone. With rough concensus. No more version of the doc, done in bottom up manner. The real question is - do you want that we finish proposal? If You don't want that, You will continue to do the same. And, last time, Yuriy - firmly dislike pointing people in a top-down way. This is the wrong way and perfect example what we need to avoid. The role of chair is to facilitate the group, give proper suggestions and to engage more people to work. It's not the role of ceo in private company who will order someone what he can do. This top-down decision making is what makes all of the GP members inactive. We are all equal here, and we need different opinions to bring better solution, observed and prepared from different angles. Everything needs to be voted, bottom up, and only this way it will go smoothly. There is no gp if only one guy work, and every member is significant. As ever, Dusan
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Tuesday, October 27, 2015, 1:46:45 PM, you wrote:
Dear Yuriy, So, nothing was actually voted and approved by the members? Voted for adoption in generally. Only suggested? What version of the doc was on the table? Last version that was in access from 19th Sep Then, we are at the same circle again... No. By suggestion of Michael Yakushev we should define who is responsible for each item of the plan. Hardly wait to see the report... Report will be only informative.
We need to identify such responsible for each item of the plan. This can be done only by the initiative of the participants of the Panel. And this must be done ASAP. If there is no initiative from the members of the Panel, I take suggestions for participants. Their right will be either agree or disagree.
As ever Dusan and Yuri
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Dear Dusan,
I'm preparing report about face-to-face meeting Cyrillic GP. I couldn't to do this earlier because was very busy in my main work. Sorry. In few days such report will be.
Preliminary outcomes: 1. Document "Proposal..." was discussed and participants didn't gave remarks by content except Plan. 2. Dmitry Kohmanyuk voiced criticism to content of working plan. Participants, generally, didn't supported these remarks and comments. 3. Dmitry proposed to replace the Chairman of the Group and arrange elections. It just was not supported. 4. During discussing another issues was raised (Daniel Kalchev) problems connected with "unique characters for different languages issues". In discussion took part John Klensin and Olexandr Tsaruk by remote participation. 5. After all discussions, it was proposed to approve the document and submit for the approval by the Integration Panel. 6. Mikhail Yakushev proposed to approve the document in general and add to the working plan column that reflect responsible for the execution of each item.
Regards, Yuri
Monday, October 26, 2015, 7:08:58 PM, you wrote:
Dear all,
It would be nice to share some report(s) from meeting in Dublin. For us who wasn't able to participate, it would be also useful to know what happened. Also, I heard that some doc(s) were approved by GP... It would be nice to have them here on the list, if this is true.
As ever, Dusan
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