Dear all, First, I want to express my deepest appreciation and congratulations to Yuriy, regarding this doc. Secondly, similar to others working groups, the major activity of the members appears when the issues occurs. This time those issues cover the trilogy of topics that I personally like to avoid: politics, religion and history. Any topic from this trilogy could lead to endless debate, and most important, there is no unique opinion or solution at the end of such debate - because there is no end. This time, I am not in position to avoid this topics, although I don't see that they are related to our work. That's why I am sharing the same concerns as You, and we must be careful and try to avoid them in this technical doc. I will try to be as short as I can. Regarding Yuliya comments (thank You, Yuliya, great observations) I will like to explain> *1.* *Nation*: Oxford dictionary says - Nation is a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory. There are some theories that nation is defined by its culture, religion and alphabet. Still, the nation is the most advanced ethnic community (horde, genus, tribe, demos, nation). What I am trying to say, in the "Proposal...", we are talking about the nations, not only states and regions. If You are living in other country or region, You will not forget to use Your alphabet when You are using native language. So, I disagree that we must avoid this term, and use only state and region. *2.* The usage of tribe is similar, but... To cut the story short> /"100. Formation of the Cyrillic alphabet as the basis official writing system for individual nations and countries happened for two reasons:// //• For the countries of Central and Eastern Europe, it was a factor in the spread of religion and basic education in the Middle Ages;// //• For the countries in the regions outside of the Central-European region the Cyrillic alphabet was brought by the Russian Empire or later by the educational programs developed by the former USSR. Here we refer mainly to the regions: ...//" /This way we avoid possible religion issues. *3.* Regarding > /103. They were *of Greek origin* from the modern city of Thessaloniki, which then was part of the Byzantine Empire. It should be noted that the Bulgarian tradition calls brothers Bulgarians/ As a man from Balkan region, I must say that this sentence is a political declaration this days. There is a major dispute between Greece and Macedonia about history. If You want to enter into this dispute, You can save the part "they were of Greek origin", but I suggest that we use diplomatic approach and erase "of Greek origin". Also, I agree with Yuliya - there is no point to say what are the feelings that Bulgarians have towards them. This could became political problem. 4. *Colonized*: I don't see the problem with this word. I agree with Yuliya with the rest of hers observations. At the end, I would like to say> Our grounds in further work is simple: not only wide region (13 countries and 108 scripts) but MILLIONS OF PEOPLE are using Cyrillic script. Not history, politics or religion. Again, Yuriy is right when he sad that we must be faster and concrete. But, Yuriy, our behavior as a members are common for WGs... Being the head of GP, sometimes turns out to be similar to the function of reminder app on smartphone, and sometimes Head needs to cut the discussion and leads to the "finish line". No hard feelings, Yuriy, it's a fact, I was there... :) Regards, Dušan On 27.4.2015 20:03, Yuliya Morenets wrote:
Yuri,
Please find attached my comments in the text.
Best regards, Yulia
Le 23.04.2015 17:58, Yuriy Kargapolov a écrit :
@Vladimir, I redirect this file to common emaling
@ALL, my remarks and explanations on file in regard discussion during last conf-call
point #1
As result of discussion - we erased Table no.3 from body of "Proposal..." AT THIS STAGE.
It's clear, during conf-call, to my mind, all are understood this point which has been proposed by Vladimir.
The main aspect after exluding Table no.3:
1) Table no. 3 - one of bases of our work
2) Stage no. 2:
2.1) at this stage MUST be Table no.3
2.2) Very strong efforts for emergence of this Table for aims our
future activity.
3) Stage no.3 and follow-up activity - operation with Table no. 3
point #2
Please, find, paragraph 3.5 and check deadline for tasks and subtasks
WE HAVE 4 DAYS UP TO APR, 28 ONLY
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Best Regards,
Yuri
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From: Vladimir Shadrunov <info@vlad.tel <mailto:info@vlad.tel>>
To: Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info <mailto:yvk@uanic.info>>, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org>>, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>>
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2015, 5:00:27 PM
Subject: Character repertoire
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Hi,
To illustrate what I was talking about on the call today - I think we need to keep a proper record of where the Character repertoire is coming from.
I suggest that we fill in the spreadsheet attached which includes the name of the author, the name of the reviewer and source of information. We then post this spreadsheet to the list for the record.
Once this is done we will at least be able to judge if the process to generate those tables was robust.
Sorry Yuriy, I wasn't able to capture all the names that you mentioned on the call - so if you can just fill them in - that would be quickest I believe.
Thanks,
Vladimir
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Hi, To illustrate what I was talking about on the call today - I think we need to keep a proper record of where the Character repertoire is coming from. I suggest that we fill in the spreadsheet attached which includes the name of the author, the name of the reviewer and source of information. We then post this spreadsheet to the list for the record. Once this is done we will at least be able to judge if the process to generate those tables was robust. Sorry Yuriy, I wasn't able to capture all the names that you mentioned on the call - so if you can just fill them in - that would be quickest I believe. Thanks, Vladimir
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