All, just a quick reaction to the discussed point. I do agree with the re-writing of the first point of the paragraph as proposed by Alexey. My proposal (as I started to make my comments already in the text), would be the following: 1. delete individual nations, by leaving only countries and regions 2. Re-write as follows: 1. For countries and regions of the Central and Eastern Europe where different people/individuals were established, in their majority being Slavic and which formed afterwards quite often Slavic states. The majority of them integrated the Cyrillic alphabet as a fundamental basis of their States and afterwards of the educational system/principals. 2. For the countries in the regions outside of the Central-European region the Cyrillic alphabet was brought by the Russian Empire or later by the educational programs developed by the former USSR. Here we refer mainly to the regions: (mention the regions) But Alexey proposal is the great one to my opinion. 3. Also, it is quite difficult to go through the number of mails sent every day, can we just work on the document by making our comments in the text and someone will just summarize them one time for all? Hope this helps the discussion to move forward. Best, Yuliya Le 27.04.2015 16:48, Yuriy Kargapolov a écrit :
Dear Alexey, All,
thahks a lot for active position and proposed redaction of paragraph 1 @Alexey, I think - so much better
in general, to my mind, paragraph 1 reflect the objective historical information on issues of Cyrillic alphabets. maybe this paragraph don't contain full and all diversity of historical information, in this case - it's negative factor for content. maybe... correct me, please. and in this case, all of us can to add your content, concerned your country and language, historically facts why i think it is important aspect? because each of us should show very rich and great variety of Cyrillic Code Points, which will be very important during next stages of our work, will be very important for understanding for place, significance and beauty of each unique Code Point of your native language. yes, we really must exclude as subject any nuance of religion, political relation etc. but the beauty and uniqueness of our languages must be understood and emphasized, firstly, by us within Cyrillic Panel and in the future these arguments should be transfered to the Integration Panel. I very much ask the Balkan, Mongolian and from Central Asia members make a contribution in the text.
---- Yuri
Monday, April 27, 2015, 4:55:04 PM, you wrote:
Dmitry, Yuriy, All:
thanks a lot for pointing it out: my voice was for dropping "trybe" reference, but regarding the rest religious it looks very reasonable and professional to point it out.
Here the variant how it might be written:
..."100. Formation of the Cyrillic alphabet as the basis official writing system for individual nations and countries happened on the base of ancient languages, which shared they base and origin with Sanskrit. Among the reasons for formulating this particular writing system its worth to mention at least two:
· for the territories of Central, Eastern and North Europe where Slavic people lived the need to form new Slavic states has grown. It was a key factor in the spread of power, faith, culture through the territories and times;
· for relatively recent times for countries in other regions – it was a factor of involvement in political and cultural environment which was formed under the influence of entry into the Russian Empire, and later, starting in the 1920s, when in the USSR began the cultural revolution, known as the "Elimination of illiteracy"...
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk@hostmaster.ua> wrote:
I would strongly recommend to drop all those religious references. The whole paragraph is out of scope, and references to tribes spreading "Orthodox faith" are weak (Christianity? Many nations using Cyrillic alphabet had other religions; for example, Russians practiced Islam; some Ukrainians are Catholic; and I don't think Mongols are predominantly Christians etc.)
We should stick to character repertoires and other tasks that are in scope and leave politics to politicians, and religion to priests.
On 27 апр. 2015, at 08:14, Alexei Sozonov <a.sozon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues:
it seems that some points not delivered correctly:
1. In the first chapter \ introduction from the clause
" for the countries of Central and Eastern Europe where Slavic tribes lived and formed the Slavic states – it was factor in the spread of Christianity, the Orthodox faith and religious or basic education in the Middle Ages;"
it's important to understand that evidences exist that not only "Slavic tribes" but well developed cities and states lead us back in history. So its obvious that we have no grounds have term "tribes" in the report here, and when ever it my appear in the text.
2. From linguistic point there is one important and true point that need to be emphasized to appreciate the scope of the languages we work - the simple fact, that closest language to our proto-Cyrillic language (pre Russian/Ukrainian) is Sanskrit, that considered the oldest in India, and the world, needless to say West Europe. This is important as it gives right historical perspective to scope of language in total, and the role of Kiril and Methodius is just alphabet. The Language should not be treated as new born after alphabet compilation, but should be discussed in its real glory and retrospective.
Thank you,
Alexei Sozonov
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote: @Vladimir, I redirect this file to common emaling
@ALL, my remarks and explanations on file in regard discussion during last conf-call
point #1
As result of discussion - we erased Table no.3 from body of "Proposal..." AT THIS STAGE.
It's clear, during conf-call, to my mind, all are understood this point which has been proposed by Vladimir.
The main aspect after exluding Table no.3:
1) Table no. 3 - one of bases of our work
2) Stage no. 2:
2.1) at this stage MUST be Table no.3
2.2) Very strong efforts for emergence of this Table for aims our
future activity.
3) Stage no.3 and follow-up activity - operation with Table no. 3
point #2
Please, find, paragraph 3.5 and check deadline for tasks and subtasks
WE HAVE 4 DAYS UP TO APR, 28 ONLY
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Best Regards,
Yuri
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From: Vladimir Shadrunov <info@vlad.tel>
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Date: Thursday, April 23, 2015, 5:00:27 PM
Subject: Character repertoire
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Hi,
To illustrate what I was talking about on the call today - I think we need to keep a proper record of where the Character repertoire is coming from.
I suggest that we fill in the spreadsheet attached which includes the name of the author, the name of the reviewer and source of information. We then post this spreadsheet to the list for the record.
Once this is done we will at least be able to judge if the process to generate those tables was robust.
Sorry Yuriy, I wasn't able to capture all the names that you mentioned on the call - so if you can just fill them in - that would be quickest I believe.
Thanks,
Vladimir
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