Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the new gTLD Auction Proceeds Drafting Team held on 10 August 2016 at 12:00 UTC: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-10aug16-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpsuDGgbutH3nVNCyFQnIoBtiHFTcaeu4QmqxpOexJvnwAtaKFZlbEgyFJOnwZ53Oq0o-3D_nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5BgbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmqNfLr1357mosGO9nXJXg6jama0uuqW0m6VS6p5JobOFXJZuDPM648jqx3DajFVvGCLLe-2BdGOt9HDbBA3VvAqms-2F6clNbzKSWZGzECEigpgv0bgQzKLW3E81n9tegHPqtzoOw3WGkAlAtnn9Y4Gvgl-2BivQJZHZPyRiA8kNSCBnME5g-2BwTKodIxtjdPjUTv6dXcs5-2FjUb69tCyXGN-2F0IzeCsoJ97DoKkKYFOKqM3qvFzjG-2BXmvxe6yCRzFQVDcfhJX8JhWoWM3aGipk1q4-2F4Drf7tE878uFfS3nU-2FiRsCijM7> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/dt-cwg-auctionproceeds/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/px6AAw Attendees: ALAC Alan Greenberg ASO Sylvia Cadena ccNSO Will not be participating in the drafting team GAC Olga Cavalli GNSO Jonathan Robinson RSSAC Brad Verd SSAC Lyman Chapin Board Board Liaisons Erika Mann Asha Hemrajani Board appointed staff advisors Apologies: Tony Harris Russ Mundy Samantha Eisner ICANN staff: Marika Konings Vinciane Koenigsfeld Lauren Allison David Tait Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday, 10 August 2016 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Charter Drafting Team held on Wednesday, 10 August 2016 at 12:00 UTC Terri Agnew:wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/gASsAw Olga Cavalli:hola Silvia! Olga Cavalli:Hi Terry! Sylvia Cadena:Hola :) Jonathan Robinson:Hello All Asha Hemrajani:Hello Asha Hemrajani:Can some from staff give me the singapore access number? The numbers in the email are all mangled up Marika Konings:800-120-4663 Lauren Allison:Erika is currently stuck in meetings and hopes to connect in 30 minutes. She sends her apologies in the meantime Asha Hemrajani:any passcode? Olga Cavalli:I hear nothing is this ok? Marika Konings:65-6883-9230 (toll) Terri Agnew:SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 Terri Agnew:passcode: Auction Alan Greenberg:AUdio ok Olga Cavalli:ok I hear no sound I will connect and disconnect again Asha Hemrajani:Thank you Marika and Terri. Please Terri could you confirm that it will be the same numbers for future calls? Terri Agnew:@Asha, confirmed it is Asha Hemrajani:Thanks Terri. Please check your private chat Olga Cavalli:Ihear nothing :( can you do a dial up to me? +54 11 4826 2530 Asha Hemrajani:Olga, did you do "connect your audio" from your adobe top bar? Olga Cavalli:yes i did Olga Cavalli:no audio on the computer, it happens sometimes Marika Konings:that is correct Terri Agnew:@Olga, the operator will dial out in a moment Marika Konings:comment #22, if I am not mistaken, is next Olga Cavalli:thanks Olga Cavalli:im in the phone now thanks!! Marika Konings:that is correct Lauren Allison:Sam is unable to make this call due to ill health and would like me to send her apologies for the record Sylvia Cadena:I agree Jonathan. Sylvia Cadena:We are not there yet. Olga Cavalli:agree with Jonanthan Asha Hemrajani:agree - we should take the time that we need Olga Cavalli:If GAC needs to approve it will take time please have that in consideration Sylvia Cadena:We cannot drag this for too long either. It is important to get a final draft soon so the apporvals process can take the time is needed. Sylvia Cadena:Weekly meetings sounds ok so that we can get as close as possible to that deadline. Sylvia Cadena:No, I didn't. Marika Konings:Staff can try to reconcile those or mark where there is conflict in the revised charter? Sylvia Cadena:There were a few notes in the document that we discussed in the conference call. I did add what I said on the last conference call. Sylvia Cadena:Nothing different from what we discussed. Sylvia Cadena:I was taking notes on the documents during the meeting about my own comments. Sorry if that generated any confusion, but I didn't add anything that we did not discussed on the last meeting. Terri Agnew:sync is enabled, everyone can scroll themselves Olga Cavalli:good point Alan Asha Hemrajani:Marika could you speak a bit slower please Sylvia Cadena:Thanks for the input Marika. Good to have that into consideration. Marika Konings:Apologies Asha - I will do my best to slow down :-) Sylvia Cadena:That will be to help to CCWG. Marika Konings:if I remember correctly, the charter currently foresees the ability for the CCWG to identify expertise needed as part of its process Sylvia Cadena:I don't think the DT should be calling for experts at this stage, but identifying the skills/knowledge that will be needed Alan Greenberg:@Marika, yes Alan Greenberg:Regarding CCWG ACCT experts, I beleive it wasmore like 7 of them. We did not pay fees, but we did fly them around the world (largely or partially in business class). Terri Agnew:Welcome Erika Mann Erika Mann:Just joined Erika Mann:Hi Terri Asha Hemrajani:@alan actually Steve did not advocate separating into 3 buckets - he was very against that Asha Hemrajani:@Alan the 3 buckets issue was just an example Olga Cavalli:my call drop off, please Terry ask the operator to call me again Alan Greenberg:The impression I got is he was advocating that. But it is moot as this wil be a CCWG discussion and decisin. Erika Mann:CAn someone tguide me to the right topic Asha Hemrajani:I agree Alan - it is a CCWG discussion and decision Alan Greenberg:@22 Asha Hemrajani:Hi Erika, we are on #22 Sylvia Cadena:comment 22 Erika Marika Konings:@Erika - comment 22 on page 17 Erika Mann:Thank you Marika Asha Hemrajani:@sylvia I did not suggest that we call for experts at this stage. What I was talking about was in line with what Jonathan said Erika Mann:Is everyone else hearing Sylvia badly? Asha Hemrajani:Yes Sylvia sounded a bit muffled Erika Mann:I think you can't hear me Erika Mann:Move on Asha Hemrajani:I just want to clarify that while knowledge of the ICANN ecosystem is good, it shoudl not be mandatory Terri Agnew:@Erika, I don't see your mic active. Please let me know if the op should dial out to you Asha Hemrajani:We need to have as broad a participation as possible Erika Mann:Try again please Terri Agnew:@Erika, audio is now working Asha Hemrajani:can hear you Erika Erika Mann:I said we are fine Jonathan Robinson:Thank you Erica Erika Mann:Agree with Alan Sylvia Cadena:23 Sylvia Cadena:Hold on, but thn we need something on the charter about how / who appoints / nominates members that are not from the chartetring organizations? Marika Konings:@Sylvia - only Chartering organizations can appoint members, but anyone can join as a participant David Tait:I'm taking them Asha Hemrajani:Sylvia has a valid point here Sylvia Cadena:Yes, but what Asha said was to open members to others Erika Mann:Open minded yes, but we don't need folks that understand the instrumental part of dispursement but the framing of programs yet Sylvia Cadena:Ok, I think we had already said that on the charter. Asha Hemrajani:yes that was my point - I think the text in the charter is broad enough already Jonathan Robinson:N.B. Anyone may participate. There is nothing to stop experts particpating. As per Marika's point. Terri Agnew:Welcome Brad Verd Asha Hemrajani:Agree Jonathan - we are not talking about participants, we are talking about members Asha Hemrajani:good point Alan Asha Hemrajani:Jonathan - it was important to take the time to get that sorted. Sylvia Cadena:We said 2 to 5. Olga Cavalli:The group should remain not too big Erika Mann:Okay Sylvia Cadena:+1 to what Marika said, and also agree with Olga that it should not be too big. Asha Hemrajani:ok with that Marika Konings:the charter currently foresees that the chartering organizations may appoint a chair to the CCWG (the Board is not a chartering organization) Olga Cavalli:ok Sylvia Cadena:Ok with appointing liaisons. It will be good to define such role at the CCWG level Erika Mann:Since you can\t hear me, I can only type. So, let's have Asha moving ahead first Erika Mann:You can't hear me today Erika Mann:Correct Sylvia Cadena:Agree with Jonathan. Asha Hemrajani:My hand is down - that was an old hand Asha Hemrajani:agreed - outtside of scope Erika Mann:Exactly, this is outside the scope Sylvia Cadena:Does the charter mentions that the CCWG needs to come up with the criteria? Asha Hemrajani:This question came up because the audience at the public forum were not too clear on the 3 phased approach Sylvia Cadena:Ok Erika Mann:Outside the scope, agree Olga Cavalli:ok Asha Hemrajani:on a separate note, when we have a public forum in Hyderabad, India, we should take pains to clearly explain the 3 phased approach Sylvia Cadena:I think we mentioned in the charter as one of the considerations for the CCWG to discuss Asha Hemrajani:ok for me too Olga Cavalli:agree with Asha Marika Konings:I believe it is in the DT, but I will review Marika Konings:in the charter Marika Konings:not DT Sylvia Cadena:Yes, I think on the charter we have a list of things to consider, criteria, evaliation etc were there Asha Hemrajani:yes we do already! Sylvia Cadena:I think we left it all quite loose because of the fact that the ICANN mission is also being worked out... Erika Mann:YOu still can't hear me. move on Asha Hemrajani:I agree that this part needs more fleshing out Sylvia Cadena:No worries Erika Mann:CCWG will have to frame and define the scope and goals for the allocation of the fund. Asha Hemrajani:Steve Crocker had raised this point too. the CCWG should define what the end goals are Erika Mann:Specific objectives might relate to goals and scope, objectives might be a subset of things to achieve Asha Hemrajani:+1 Erika Jonathan Robinson:@Asha, Erica - if we move point to right of colon as answer / DT response, is that satisfactory? Erika Mann:For me yes, Jonathan Asha Hemrajani:right of which colon? Asha Hemrajani:in the notes section? Asha Hemrajani:Comment 29 - The CCWG will be responsible for choosing the specific objectives and shaping those further. [ACTION: Staff to ensure this is mapped into Charter] Asha Hemrajani:high level goals Erika Mann:I agree with Alan, objectives is too narrow Sylvia Cadena:Ok Asha Hemrajani:I think this is a misunderstanding Erika Mann:It's too confusing Asha Hemrajani:#30 Erika Mann:This should be up to the CCWG to decide ... depends on the real allocation structure that will be setup in the future Alan Greenberg:No restriction, but we do assume the disbursement will be over a relatively long period. Erika Mann:Agree with Alan Sylvia Cadena:I think the DT should state that there will be no restrictions of this kind Erika Mann:I would separate the two items and not have them in a single sentence Asha Hemrajani:why not split it into two separate sentences Asha Hemrajani:exactly Marika! Asha Hemrajani:I think it was about one time revenue source, not how many times an applicant has applied Asha Hemrajani:agree with Alan's point - don't use the words "one time funding" Sylvia Cadena:Ok, if it refers to one time revenue source then it will be ok. One time funding is a different expression, as Alan said Asha Hemrajani:yes use "revenue source" Erika Mann:Let's be silent Sylvia Cadena:The mandate is at the beginning of the charter, about round 1. Asha Hemrajani:so could we answer in the public comment tool but not put into the charter? Asha Hemrajani:agree Jonathan Sylvia Cadena:Ok Sylvia Cadena:That will be great Marika Sylvia Cadena:That will certainly make it clear for people that comments were addressed Asha Hemrajani:Alan, from my notes - yes it was the gentleman from tucows who brought this up. His name is Elliott? Sylvia Cadena:Who was the person that made the comment so repetitively? Marika Konings:Eliott Noss Marika Konings:comment #36 also talks about one-off process Sylvia Cadena:round 1, we should clarify that is round 1 (in full) Sylvia Cadena:agree with Alan Alan Greenberg:The CCWG, in its wisdom, may decide to use all of the money in one fell swoop! Asha Hemrajani:yes Alan - the CCWG might give it all to a foundation Alan Greenberg:I would fight it tooth and nail unless *I* am the recipient Asha Hemrajani:Really Alan :-) Alan Greenberg:ok, I will share with a few selected friends Erika Mann:Agree Asha Hemrajani:agree 500%! Sylvia Cadena:Yes please, try to finish the comment tool Erika Mann:Outside the scope Asha Hemrajani:this is related to the previous point #30 Asha Hemrajani:a bit connected Erika Mann:Alan! Asha Hemrajani:I agree with the principle that the CCWG should have a finite life- again this question came out of ignorance of the 3 phased process Erika Mann:Can you repeaat Jonathan Asha Hemrajani:Jonathan, I like your draft answer Jonathan Robinson:Thanks Asha. @Erica. Please see RHS - draft answer to comment 32 Erika Mann:Wil check Asha Hemrajani:Comment 32 - DT does expect the CCWG to have a finite life and the CCWG will not be involved in any distribution decisions. Asha Hemrajani:Erika, I pasted it above for you Erika Mann:Thanks Asha. I have problem with the right column. Either it's so small that I can't read or I can only see half of the column Erika Mann:Alan, good point but I would only say that the CCWG should consider and should come up with alternative proposals that should be investigated Erika Mann:Exactly Asha Jonathan Robinson:@Asha. Assume income accrues to the fund. Correct? Erika Mann:Alan, I think we need to discuss this as soon as we have the processses in place. Alan Greenberg:Just a note to augment the charter after we finish the PC review. Sylvia Cadena:Agree with Alan Erika Mann:Asha, let's discuss this with the Board Erika Mann:Anyone still there??? Sylvia Cadena:I am here Erika Erika Mann:Hi Sylvia! Sylvia Cadena::) Sylvia Cadena:Maybe to have a diagram that explains? That way people migh actually get it, as they might not read the whole charter Erika Mann:It's a bit deeper this point. It says that criterias for the expected results should be setup. Agree with what Alan is saying. Asha Hemrajani:Sylvia, we did have a diagram at helsinki. Sylvia Cadena:On 34 the DT can add to the list of things to consider for the CCWG what are the minimum outcomes for accountability Sylvia Cadena:The PPT was a lot of text, not very clear. At least the one I saw before Asha Hemrajani:but our thoughts were not that mature yet on this, but now they have formed up more. So for Hyderabad, we can have clearer material Asha Hemrajani:sylvia, have a look at diagrams that marika added - you can ask her later Sylvia Cadena:On 34 the DT can add to the list of things to consider for the CCWG what are the minimum outcomes for accountabilit Sylvia Cadena:Is important to define a minimum Asha Hemrajani:I agree with your proposed answer to #35 Sylvia Cadena:Agree Jonatahn, on diversity Asha Hemrajani:jonathan, could we go back to #34 Sylvia Cadena:I also commented on #34. On 34 the DT can add to the list of things to consider for the CCWG what are the minimum outcomes for accountability Sylvia Cadena:There are different outcomes depending on different projects, so for the CCWG can define what a minimum will be to compare all the different ones Erika Mann:I recommend not to do this, these kind of things need more time to think through and it depends how much risk one would be willing to take. Sylvia Cadena:That is not set from the start. That is based on each grant Erika Mann:I agree with Sylvia Asha Hemrajani:yes good point - Sylvia. I was referring to success of the funding, not individual projects Asha Hemrajani:Jonathan, give us some time to mull over this a bit more Alan Greenberg:This is a WELL estblished process. Alan Greenberg:established Alan Greenberg:We are nowhere near the first group to give away money with specific aims in mind. David Tait:Jonathan just to clarify I've used the term 'grants' to make clear this is distinct from the stewarding function of the funds. Sylvia Cadena:ok Asha Hemrajani:open to another date Alan Greenberg:I should be available to chair if needed. But Joanthan's wisdom is always helpful. Sylvia Cadena:It will be great to have the comments asap, so that we can make progress on the charter Asha Hemrajani:I have difficulty for 24th also Erika Mann:Okay Alan Greenberg:Good meeting Erika Mann:Thanks! Sylvia Cadena:Thank you all ::) Asha Hemrajani:Excellent progress Jonathan, well done! Asha Hemrajani:Thank you all