Dear all, This is not response or comment on today discussion, but the way how I see our issues. - I respect all existing material, recommendations and conclusion, and have clear and strong opinion that ALSes has to participate like part of the system and to respect how community see their role, and will try to pass through it as much as possible and to understand it. Some regional events could help to make it closer to local users and experts and attract them, I am not sure that without ICANN and RALO participation we can make fast growing and progress. We, at Plug In , will try to make first PreICANN meeting in October, we have in a moment long list of possible topics, but I would like to have some topics that are of special interest in this moment on global level - Existing situation is that we are missing active participants, not only at RALO level, I think everywhere where participation is only question of volunteering without clear vision what are benefits (new friends, new connections, new experts, new opinion, new promising business case, or any other indirect benefit) topics and who are participants. That is reason why we should have (or maybe it exists) some final and not too long list of ICANN priorities where RALOs should participate in close future. Also we should have final list of priorities what we would like to discuss with ICANN in the name of users interest and interest of our experts (education, development of dialogue, support on regional levels). Then we can easily or easier find participants who will be interested to participate in dialogue. I am member of several association in Serbia, and all of them have a problem with small number of participants in activities. - Who are stakeholders - government, operators, ISPs, registries, registrars, users, telecommunication agencies, academic networks, etc. and every stakeholder is trying to keep power in its field of interest. Users and NGOs are welcome to be spectator and presented in events with limited possibilities to influence on important issues (do not forget that UN, sport association, churches and lot of now establishing and mighty organization were and are NGOs or association of people but keep the people far from decision making) . This is reason why we should make a list of important issues that should be discussed in every single society, country or community, for example covering of whole territory, network and services available on network, who should build this network and be responsible for quality, education of all users, and ICANN with all stakeholders should support developing of this dialogue and users and experts participating. Facebook give a chance to everybody that he has something from internet, we should find way to give them something why they will enjoy ALSes. We must use internet like technology that enables this. - Financing, Pandora box, millions are working in gaming industry, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Alibaba etc in order to reach targeted user group, what are our resources? We have to build it. - Local specific issues - every ALS should deal with on local level and present it globaly In the shortest way, we have to make plan what we are doing, what are our priorities and how we shall come closer to our targeted group. Then we should make subgroups that are dealing with their specialties and create ideas and comment ICANN policies and activities. From my point of view, we have global and fluent topics, but the activities and subtopics that help us must be more specific and well managed. It seems that we have three levels of activities: - global, general issues (intellectual properties, human rights, access to network, social topics, privacy etc) - activities that cover general issues from different angle and expertise (events, panels, presentations dedicated to some of issues) - activities that support functioning of the rest of two levels (financing, marketing, attractive services.) and we should solve all these levels step by step. Taskforce who deals with new participants should permanently exist. Maybe this sounds like business or engineering oriented view, I am engineer and that is my view. I am ready to hear and listen social oriented people how they see this, but I kindly ask to be simple and direct as much as possible. I am here to learn and to share it with my colleague in "Plug In" and to attract them to be active motivated participants Now it is clear why I did not turn on my microphone this eveningJ Pozdrav/regards Nenad From: Silvia Vivanco [mailto:silvia.vivanco@icann.org] Sent: Wednesday, 03 August, 2016 19:38 To: Yrjö Länsipuro; Nenad Marinkovic; ICANN At-Large Staff; 'EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement' Subject: RE: [euralo-tf-als-engagement] REMINDER DOOODLE / EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement Dear Yrjo, Kindly see below the Action Items of today's call, which are posted on the wiki page. Please be so kind to review and edit as you think appropriate. * 1. <https://community.icann.org/display/~yrjo.lansipuro> Yrjo Lansipuro to draft the first draft email message for ALSes , on the subject of expertise of ALSes, taking into account the national priorities. * 2. To encourage ALSes to participate in national level, there should be a few questions about the involvement on the national level. * 3. Task Force to develop ideas on how to improve the monthly call and improve participation. https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/Action+Items%3A+2016.08.03+EURALO +Task+Force+on+ALS+Engagement+Call Thank you! Kind regards, Silvia Vivanco From: Yrjö Länsipuro [mailto:yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:30 PM To: Nenad Marinkovic <nenad@marinkovic.rs>; ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>; 'EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement' <euralo-tf-als-engagement@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [euralo-tf-als-engagement] REMINDER DOOODLE / EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement Dear Nenad, Thank you for your comments! I very much agree with you. You're right in saying that it takes a long and hard work to become an established, respected and equally treated organization. This is exactly what is needed from the ALS'es in order to play their part in the multistakeholder setting on national level. Looking forward to our first call in a few hours tonight, Best, Yrjö _____ From: Nenad Marinkovic <nenad@marinkovic.rs> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 2:12 AM To: 'Yrjö Länsipuro'; 'ICANN At-Large Staff'; 'EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement' Subject: RE: [euralo-tf-als-engagement] REMINDER DOOODLE / EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement Dear Yrjö, dear colleagues, I do not know if silence is sign of agreement or disagreement, in Serbia we consider it like agreement. This mail does not mean that I disagree, I just want to be active ALS member. For me multistakeholderism is the most often used term in ICANN, CENTR, EuroDIG and other IG conferences and it means that we must prove that multistakeholderism is real principle and system that function in practice. Maybe this is enough for this email to explain my position or position of ALS where I am one of the member. As several founders of "Plug In" are or were people engaged in ICANN, CENTR and national ccTld Registry activities, we have recognized from the very beginning : - variety of internet and internet governance issues, - variety of internet users and their interest and their passive participation in internet governance and internet policy development - Long and hard work in order to become established, respected and equally treated organization Although our members are people who cover technical , educational, legal, entrepreneurship, IT, software business area of internet and IT technology, we are still trying to define and explain each other and to people what we are, what we are doing and what we want to be. Our main target were internet, education and promotion of basic internet values, but now after several years I would say that our target is promotion of multistakeholderism through our way of function, public events, discussions and conferences, all supported by services and activities which will bring new values for business, freelancer and private internet users and will support in financial and technical sense activities of our association. We see EURALO, ALSs and ICANN like the best place where we can find partners to reach our targets and values , and this is reason why I volunteer in this working group. In according with all mentioned , I see our taskforce and organization like united resources that can help us to find right topics, right steps, right activities and right people and position on global , regional and local level, and my position looks to me like very close wit Yrjo. I will finish with this for now. If some words, phrases or terms are not used in correct way, please forgive me, English is not my native language. Kind regards Nenad From: euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Yrjö Länsipuro Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 16:33 To: ICANN At-Large Staff; EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement Subject: Re: [euralo-tf-als-engagement] REMINDER DOOODLE / EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement Dear members of the Task Force, A few thoughts on our task: 1) It is self-evident that without active ALS's, EURALO (like other RALOs and At Large itself) would be just an empty shell. The credibility of ALAC/At Large as "the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users" hinges on whether our voice is emanating from the grassroots or just from a club of "usual suspects". 2) As we heard from Wolf at the EURALO call (July 26), earlier attempts at enhancing the grassroots engagement have been resisted by some ALS's as bureaucratic meddling from EURALO's side. As unjustified as such criticism may be, now we have to make absolutely sure that our efforts will not be seen in such light, and don't meet the same fate. 3) If one looks at the EURALO ALS list (https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/euralo), two facts jump out. First, the great diversity of the ALS's as to their nature and areas of interest. Some cover a broad spectrum of internet and information society issues. Some are interested in a more narrow segment among them. Some are NGO's engaged in other fields that have joined the At Large because of the importance of the internet in their core activities. Thus, their engagement in At Large varies greatly in relevance and subject matter interest from one ALS to the next. Thus, one size does not fit all. ( The other salient feature is EURALO's lopsided geography, especially the absence of ALS's in some parts of Europe. That is a separate problem, but our work may also contribute to solving it) 4) Enhancing the measurable activity level of ALS's is not an end in itself. Statistics aside, we are first of all interested in their activities that support the main role of At Large/ALAC "to consider and provide advice on the activities of ICANN, insofar as they relate to the interests of individual Internet users". Thus, all potential expertise "hidden" in the ALS's should be discovered and leveraged in preparing ALAC advice on ICANN activities. This would relieve the workload of those few who now do most of the drafting. Here, the diversity and different fields of specialization of ALS's could actually be a great asset. 5) An ALS can play an important role as a component of the multistakeholder setup at the national level and even as the initiator for national-level multistakeholder cooperation. To what extent this actually happens, varies from country to country, with have different traditions of communications among different sectors of the society, but the potential for improvement seems to be there. Like charity, multistakeholderism starts at home. The engagement of ALS´s in national multistakeholder cooperation should be actively promoted by EURALO, ie. by facilitating their contacts with other national level stakeholders active in ICANN. (The table prepared by Oksana is a good beginning for mapping the situation in various countries) 6) In my view, the Task Force should focus on (1) how to encourage the participation of fresh expert resources from the ALS's, according to their area of specialization, in the development of ALAC advice to ICANN's policy development processes and (2) how to encourage ALS's to play an active part in the multistakeholder processes on the national level. Looking forward to your thoughts and comments, and to our first call this coming week. If you haven't yet answered the Doodle, please so so asap so that we can fix the day and time of the call. Best, Yrjö _____ From: euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <euralo-tf-als-engagement-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 4:25 PM To: EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement Subject: [euralo-tf-als-engagement] REMINDER DOOODLE / EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement Dear All, Further to the EURALO call on Tuesday 26 July, please complete the attached Doodle poll to schedule the first call of the EURALO Task Force on ALS Engagement. <http://doodle.com/poll/m4aedidkckgku4w6> http://doodle.com/poll/m4aedidkckgku4w6 <http://doodle.com/poll/m4aedidkckgku4w6> <http://doodle.com/poll/m4aedidkckgku4w6> Doodle: EURALO ALS Engagement TF doodle.com Doodle radically simplifies the process of scheduling events, meetings, appointments, etc. Herding cats gets 2x faster with Doodle. For free! (time zone enabled) Wiki workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/dAZ1Aw Thank you. Kind regards, Gisella From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> Date: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 at 18:22 To: Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com>, "wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net>, Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: Re: Fw: [EURO-Discuss] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: EURALO Monthly Call on Tuesday, 26 July 2016 at 18:00 UTC Hello all, Yrjö has spoken to us about his plan for the Task Force and issued a call for members. If you are interested in At-Large Structure Engagement in Europe, including the engagement of your At-Large Structure, then may I suggest this would be a perfect working group to join. Not too much work, but the work that is undertaken would be really helpful to improve the engagement of At-Large Structures in the EURALO region. You can email Yrjö (CC'ed) & At-Large staff (or me) to get registered in this new task force. Kindest regards, Olivier On 26/07/2016 14:21, Yrjö Länsipuro wrote: Hi all, I would like to add to the agenda an item about the Task Force on ALS Engagement, for which I was made the chair of in absentia at the GA in Helsinki (it clashed with a NomCom meeting, where I had to be). I would like to have a short initial discussion today to prepare the ground for the first meeting of this task force as soon as possible, taking into account the holiday period. Best, Yrjö _____ From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of ICANN At-Large Staff <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:00 PM To: Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Lars Hoffmann; Michael Yakushev; Jean-Jacques Sahel; Nick Thorne Subject: [EURO-Discuss] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: EURALO Monthly Call on Tuesday, 26 July 2016 at 18:00 UTC If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at staff@atlarge.icann.org with your preferred number. Please remember that it is now possible to connect your audio via the AC room, without using your telephone. You need a stable internet connection. If you would like a reminder of how to connect please let staff know. 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