I am not a lawyer, but for the little I know in Italy law trumps private contractual agreements. In other words, contract clauses that are not according the law are null and void. Shouldn't this solve the matter? R.
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Michele Neylon - Blacknight Inviato: lunedì 3 febbraio 2014 13:07 A: Volker Greimann; euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] RE : Article 29 Party Write to ICANN again
Volker
As usual you manage to put into writing much more clearly what I'd like to say.
The current situation as far as I am concerned is simple.
As an Irish company we must abide by Irish law.
The Irish statute book has legislation on data privacy.
We have a DPC.
Both the DPC and the statutes clearly state that we cannot retain the data
Yet ICANN is forcing us all to jump through hoops
This situation is unacceptable.
Regards
Michele
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Any future regulation currently being negotiated has no impact whatsoever on the current legal circumstances.
Frankly it is ridiculous to receive a feedback question of "How long _are_ you allowed to stora the data then?" from ICANN when the waiver request clearly states that no storage beyond the service provision is permitted.
Similarly ridiculous is the fact that ICANN is ignoring the Art. 29 working party letters with the reference that they are "just an advisory body", when every single member of this body is the authoritative party responsible for enforcing data protection in its EU member state. So would ICANN rather see the same letter being sent from each individual member of the working party?
Volker
Am 29.01.2014 22:31, schrieb Nigel Hickson:
JJ and colleagues
Good evening; the fact (as noted) that 1995 EU Directive has been implemented in such varied ways (essentially one was implementing EU principles in national legislation) is a fact in the challenge of having one specific "carve out". The proposed Regulation (on Data Protection) being negotiated in Brussels could make a difference on this (as a Regulation has direct effect across EU-28).
Best
Nigel
On 1/29/14 10:52 AM, "jjs" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
@Michele +1. It would indeed be a fallacy to consider that each Member State of the EU is free to interpret EU Directives to suit its own purposes.
For colleagues from horizons other than the EU, a small footnote may be useful: a Directive is not unilaterally imposed by the European Commission, but has been trashed out collectively, and thoroughly, with all the Member States. The "transposition" into national legislation is required for a Directive to have legal effect in that country, but is by no means open to alteration or corruption, once it has been agreed upon by all 28 Member States.
The apparent ambiguity in parts of the English-language mass media comes from the fact that some of them are owned by individuals who are not citizens of an EU Member State (e.g. R. Murdoch, originally an Australian, assumed US citizenship in 1985) and/or pursue their own agendas.
Jean-Jacques.
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