Veni, I do not see any sense to continue discussion in this way. If you don't see any problems with Cyrillyc (may be not only Cyrillic, but at least) IDNs - I am happy for you. If anyone sees any problems - I have some explanations. Maybe they are wrong. I will highly appreciate any other points of view. I know a lot about a lot of processes in Ukraine. And I have no even minimal trust into them. It would be great to say, that the more I know about ICANN process, the more I trust it in. At this moment I can't say it. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Veni Markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:
Oksana, I'm sure you know the process, or you could - read the fast track manual, see how it is. If there was a way to do it differently, it would have been in the documents.
On Sunday, July 14, 2013, EMP wrote:
Veni, you are absolutely right, situations with .bg and .ykp are rather similar (but the results are opposite). And you are ready to insist, that you did not see lack of trust into the level of linguistic expertize from ICANN regarding these issues?
Best, Oksana
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Veni Markovski <veni@veni.com> wrote:
Just for the record - I have not seen the "lack of trust" Oksana is writing about "in the communit", especially I haven't seen
"the lack of trust into ICANN in our community, of miscommunication, untransperancy and unaccountability from both sides (ICANN and Ukrainian applicant for .ykp)."
I have seen different people unhappy about different aspects of what they think ICANN should be doing, and I have seen people unhappy with the IDN fast track (shall I mention .bg IDN?). But that's different from the words, used by Oksana. If there has been miscommunication, please, let the regional VPs know about it. Likewise, if you believe ICANN has done or hasn't done something, esp. if required by our policies, let us (me and Nigel) know.
Thanks. Veni, VP, GSE.
On Sunday, July 14, 2013, EMP wrote:
Dear Roberto,
Thank you very much for your reports and especially for all your recommendations. You extremely clear identify major problems for understanding the role and mission of ICANN in post-Soviet space.
1. Regional issue.
I would like to repeat again and again, that there is " wide unhappiness" not only "in the South Caucasus (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia) about being considered in the Asia-Pacific-Australasia region" instead of being included into the European region, but also in other East-European countries (for example, in Ukraine). Being in one team can help us much more easy to overcome post-totalitarian past, to promote multistakeholderism, to defend freedom and openness of Internet.
I fully support your propositions and final report of ICANN Geographic Regions Working Group (which is written in extremely balanced manner and does not demand any immediate seismic shakes, but provides a lot of opportunities for self-identification). And I will be happy if ALAC will support this final report.
2. IDNs.
My obsession with Ukrainian IDN cost me a lot, nevertheless I am insisting on the importance of this issue. This is the best example of the lack of trust into ICANN in our community, of miscommunication, untransperancy and unaccountability from both sides (ICANN and Ukrainian applicant for .ykp). I highly appreciate Rinalia and Sebastien interest to this problem, and I have to say, that, with their help, we had a lot of progress regarding this issue.
Nevertheless, IDNs (and ccTLDs at the first place) have to be in center of At-Large attention. I proposed to oblige ICANN staff to inform all national representatives within ICANN (ALSes, GAC representatives, members of ccNSO and gNSO and so on) directly about any question of special concern for their country or region. I was said that it would be discussed in Durban. If I have to make now any further official steps to push this initiative forward, please let me know.
Outreach - 1
Roberto wrotes:
ALAC is present with ALSes in very few of these countries, and completely absent in all the "stans". This is related to the situation about human rights, government control, freedom of press, and so on. However, aren't we in a vicious circle? In other words, which is the cause and which is the effect? Had we some active users organizations, wouldn't these be able to influence the government?
This is extremely important question for countries without democratic traditions, grass-root activities and culture of active civic participation. And it's a pity that I couldn't participate in your meeting in Durban. I will resend your letter to Dmitry Kokhmanjuk, ccTLD .ua administrator (member of ccNSO), who is now in Durban. I hope he can provide you with a lot of information. And I am happy to invite you to ENOG VI ( <http://www.enog.org/meetings/enog-6/>
-- Best, Veni http://veni.com https://facebook.com/venimarkovski https://twitter.com/veni
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