Dear Cheryl is there any formalized fllow up from ATLAS I? How ALAC deals with the Mexico Recommendations? There were so many substantial issues which needs continuous efforts. We have to move from big words to clear actions. Who checks the progress and what is the planning for "regional summits" and ATLAS II in 2011? Thanks wolfgang ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Cheryl Langdon-Orr Gesendet: Do 24.09.2009 03:36 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: At-Large Staff Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Background for tonight's Euralo call Wolf thanks for the update on the EURALO proposal from it's meeting regarding this Agenda item and I assume it will be brought forward for the ALAC to consider... But just to be very clear *if* you are attributing the sentence below "..."this is going to go anywhere but downhill from here" ..." to me that is *not correct* that is a Statement from Bill which I quoted in my earlier message and indeed I would not and will not make that sort of predictive or value laden statement on such a volatile topic especially as ALAC Chair... ALAC has for several years had a Liaison from the ALAC to the NCUC (this was of course a natural fit as NCUC was in the pre-restructured GNSO time, the clear place and mechanism for individual internet user and non commercial registrant input into GNSO PDP and other processes); all ALAC meetings are open but we (ALAC and individuals in it) have welcomed the proposal from NCUC in recent times to formalize a NCUC Liaison to our AC (adding to several other sent from other parts of ICANN) this and our reciprocal arrangements decision has been covered by other messages including from Alan Greenberg and myself earlier so I won't repeat here. However in those in those interchanges (or referenced to them) I believe you will see from ALAC nothing but an intention to work with all parts of ICANN *including existing and future GNSO constituencies* that affect and effect our role as outlined in the ALAC Review final Report "10. ALAC as the representative body for At Large is the primary organisational home for the voice and concerns of the individual Internet user in ICANN processes, although ICANN's multi stakeholder model provides opportunity for individual users to choose to participate in many other ways in the ICANN process." ( http://www.icann.org/en/reviews/alac/final-report-alac-review-09jun09-en.pdf p6) as if for no other reason to do otherwise would be maladaptive and counterproductive. I will be making these statement again to the ALAC when we consider whatever proposal or suggestions EURALO has resolved today at its meeting, but I have taken the time to cover them here as well as it obviously is important that we separate hearsay and assumption from intention and desired outcome (from ALAC's point if view) at all stages of these discussions. CLO 2009/9/24 Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net>
Hi Cheryl and all,
thanks for your background infos on tonight's EURALO call what, I think, is helpful to correct some misinterpretations. Let me take your last sentence or questioning assumption that "this is going to go anywhere but downhill from here" and add the conclusion of our call tonight:
We are aware that the recent development is more than delicate and the situation is difficult to be understood by many observers (at least at EURALO) who were not closely involved. What we felt is the need to overcome this confrontation leading to nowhere but a deadlock and to try to de-escalate the given situation. At our call tonight we were seeking for options how the relations between ALAC and NCUC could be calmed and improved again, and the nomination of Bill as a Liaison person between both could offer such an opportunity. As you confirmed in your previous response already, Bill offers with his "involvement with EURALO (and NCUC - GNSO) a perfect fit for the Job". If Bill - with support from EURALO - could assume a mediation role in this matter, we will try our best. As we know, the deadline for organising "official" meetings in Seoul has passed already but there should still be opportunities for "informal" ones.
Let's try to discuss, define and find ways out and solutions together. Thanks and best regards, Wolf
Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:55:
Hi Bill, I'd like you, EURALO and the ALAC to be very aware of a single point of concern to me in the Blog reply /thread you made in the link provided below... specifically the following... PLease note that Robyn as Chair of NCUC wrote to me in email appointing you as the NCUC liaison (i.e. advising me of you offer) I replied to her message with copy to staff, copy to ExCom list (PUBLIC) within minutes of the receipt of this advice and announced at the following ExCom and then full ALAC Meeting(s) that a Liaison from NCUC was most welcome and that you in my opinion with your involvement with EURALO a perfect fit for the Job, and expected in fact that you would be well aware of this reply as well as would have attended (if available) or reviewed our meetings since then (you are already on the relevant lists get notices links to agenda's etc.,) where the ALAC has discussed that we will need to appoint a Liaison to the NCSG (with the existing NCUC being a constituent part of that under the current model were working with) or review later complaints to us from both our previous NCUC Liaisons did not motivate us to appoint a replacement to Beau for a month or so before this change would need to occur any way in our view... Also the ALAC discussed that as we will attend the User House meeting and (with the exception of the single purpose IRT issue and our Joint Response / work activity that enveloped our time (and was conducted in the scheduled meeting time for NCUC and ALAC in Sydney) meetings since Mexico ( well Cairo actually) have been a duplication of effort and topic and that as we had a very full set of demands in our Seoul agenda, and as ALAC and RALO leaders had complained about the workload and requested more time to address policy development matters; unless Robyn proposed a topic that required a specific F2F between the NCUC as a GNSO constituency and our AC then we would only schedule the User House meeting and use the time for other priority meetings... In my reply to Robyn et.al and welcoming you as an NCUC Liaison to the ALAC I also covered off (in shorter form) all of that as well... Why you have not been made aware of all this immediate and welcoming response to your offer from the ALAC however I can not say. "For my part, I offered almost a month ago to serve as a liaison but never got a reply from ALAC, and am now told that they've decided they don't need to liaise with NCUC. And to my knowledge there's no NCUC-ALAC meeting planned for Seoul. Hard to see how this is going to go anywhere but downhill from here, but whatever, I guess. "
CLO
2009/9/23 William Drake <william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch>
Hello,
I see on the agenda item 3, "ALAC response to recent activities of the NCUC."
Given the general lack of NCUC-ALAC dialogue and information sharing, I'm guessing that not everybody will be equally aware of the background. To that end, the following links might be worth perusing prior to the discussion.
http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2009/9/22/4329523.html
http://www.icann.org/correspondence/ncuc-to-beckstrom-18aug09-en.pdf
Thanks,
Bill
PS: I will probably have to leave the call after an hour
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