COMMENTS NEEDED: Terms of Reference for ALAC Review
Dear All: More big news for At-Large: http://www.icann.org/announcements/ announcement-1-30mar07.htm The Independent Review Terms of Reference are very important - I hope all of you will comment on them so that your views can be taken into account when the final terms of reference are drafted. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
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Dear All:
More big news for At-Large: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-1-30mar07.htm
These ones are At-Large specific: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-30mar07.htm http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-3-30mar07.htm
The Independent Review Terms of Reference are very important - I hope all of you will comment on them so that your views can be taken into account when the final terms of reference are drafted.
I have already drafted a long comment that I will send personally (I think that it would be inappropriate for the ALAC to comment as an entity about its own review). I encourage people to submit their views - or the views of their ALS - directly to alac-review-tor@icann.org . -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Dear list, back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps: 1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this 2. For the two remaining open issues - incorporation and membership - we should ask for volunteers to join a working group and to make proposals until end of May / mid of June 2007. I would be ready to join this working group 3. The first virtual General Assmebly should be held in June (before San Juan) to discuss recommendations of the WGs and to elect the board and the two ALAC reps. 4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Eastern. From now until April 7 we have to inform all ALSs and to do outreach to individual candidates so that individuals as agreed in Lisbon, can be nominated via a ALS for the election. This neds some time. In many countries we have now Easter vacations. The end of the nomination process should be mid May. Then wee need an election committee. Election would take place as part of the virtual General Assembly in June (before Puerto Rico) . 5. One new open question is who elects the chair of the EURALO Board. My position is that this is an important question fort the whole membership. The EURALO Chair should be elected by all members (one ALS one vote). The procedure would be that an elected member of the board (or two or three) anounces his candidature and than the 20+ recognized ALS vote. Once again, thanks for the cooperation.And lets move forward in the psirit of cooperaiton and trust. Wolfgang
Sorry I forgot the proposals: 1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome. Best wolfgang
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris. I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea. I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo. All the best Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Sorry I forgot the proposals: 1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome. Best wolfgang _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i cann.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: 31/03/2007 20:54 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 21/05/2007 14:01
Sébastien, Wolfgang, I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan? best annette Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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That is the situation now. Still some work to do. We have to write also a more substantive background paper. I am in consultation also with Nick ALAC Workshop "New GEO-TLDs: More Consumer Choice or More Consumer Confusion?" San Juan, Sunday, June, 24, 2007 (TBC) After years of discussion ICANN is moving towards the adoption of a policy framework for the introduction of new gTLDs. Among the most controversial categories of new gTLDs are TLDs which refer to names of cities and regions. Some groups argue that such new so-called GEO-TLDs would give consumers more choice and would stimulate competition among service providers. On the other hand some governments and private sector constituencies have raised concerns and argue that GEO-TLDs would lead to consumer confusion or would affect public policy. The ALAC Workshop "New GEO-TLDs: More Consumer Choice or More Consumer Confusion?" offers a space for discussion and exchange of arguments. Three projects - .berlin, .nyc and .paris - are presented. Comments will come from different constituencies from the private sector, civil society and governments as well as from members of various ICANN bodies. Panel: Susan Crawford, ICANN Director Jon Bing, GNSO Council (TBC) Betrand de la Chapelle, French Government, GAC Member Peter Helmonds, Siemens-Nokia (TBC) Tom Lowenhaupt, .nyc Project Dirk Kirschenowski, .berlin Project Sebastian Bachollet, ALAC Member, .paris Project Beau Brendler, Consumer Reports WebWatch N.N., Telecities Europe (TBC) Amadeu Abril I Abril, .cat (TBC) Moderator: Wolfgang Kleinwächter, University of Aarhus ________________________________ Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Sébastien, Wolfgang, I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan? best annette Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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Dear list Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007. What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder. Any comments? Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Sébastien, Wolfgang, I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan? best annette Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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Dear all, Any combine / complementary work with others is good - especially with NCUC. Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Envoyé : jeudi 24 mai 2007 16:46 À : Annette Muehlberg; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Objet : AW: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Dear list Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007. What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder. Any comments? Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Sébastien, Wolfgang, I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan? best annette Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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full support of sébastien's statement! let us form an umbrella of alac and ncuc for both workshops. can you give us the planned schedule for the "freedom of expression" workshop? greetings to robin. best annette Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Dear all, Any combine / complementary work with others is good - especially with NCUC.
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Envoyé : jeudi 24 mai 2007 16:46 À : Annette Muehlberg; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Objet : AW: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important
points.
About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of
the
ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann
meeting
in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de
Wolfgang
Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on
geographical
TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london
etc)
and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the
local
government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on
the
GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form
the
user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS
and
other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation.
Input
from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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That would be great. When would it be, then? Wednesday? Nick has the scheduling in hand, so I've copied him to see how it all hangs together. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:46 AM To: Annette Muehlberg; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Dear list Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007. What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder. Any comments? Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Sébastien, Wolfgang, I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan? best annette Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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Hi Wolfgang Carlos Aguirre is the ALAC/NCUC liaison... can you keep him in the loop with this as well as Nick? Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:46 AM To: Annette Muehlberg; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Dear list Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007. What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder. Any comments? Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Sébastien, Wolfgang, I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan? best annette Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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I think discussing geo-TLDs in the ICANN context makes obviously a lot of sense. However, I do not see what freedom of expression means with regard to domain names. Did Robin elaborate how it is relevant to ICANN ? Patrick Kleinwächter wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this
I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise. For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process). So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work. About the last two points:
4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Easter.
In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?). BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Tahnks Vittorio, I think the differendes can be worked out constructively. With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time. With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is another big conspiracy. So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers organisation. BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member. Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN context visible. Best wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu] Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25 An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this
I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise. For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process). So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work. About the last two points:
4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Easter.
In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?). BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hello everybody, as someone who could not come to the meeting but tried my best to take part virtually, I am quite surprised about this discussion. We have been working for a year on founding this organisation. There is no need at all to rush through with any procedure within two weeks and even parallel to eastern vacation when many people will not be able to take part in the discussion at all. I think the proposal for a timeline given by Wolfgang makes absolutely sense and I would like to ask for an agreement on this. I very much hope that there is not a serious discussion on deliberately excluding accredited ALSes which happened to have no chance to attend the Lisbon Meeting. This is certainly not something I would have given my signature for. I think we all want to have a positive inclusive and consensus oriented start, so that we can concentrate on content not on procedure. So, I am glad, that Wolfgang made already some very interesting proposals what we could work on until the next ICANN meeting in June. Best Annette Wolfgang Kleinwächter schrieb:
Tahnks Vittorio,
I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers organisation.
BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member. Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN context visible.
Best
wolfgang
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Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu] Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25 An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this
I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work.
About the last two points:
4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Easter.
In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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I very much hope that there is not a serious discussion on deliberately excluding accredited ALSes which happened to have no chance to attend the Lisbon Meeting. This is certainly not something I would have given my signature for.
No one wants to exclude anyone. But you also have to understand the feelings among people who spared one week of their life to come to Lisbon, went through three days of hard discussions, with some very heated moments, went to a great distance to reach compromise and consensus, and now see people asking to change again what had been agreed. Anyway, I think that there is ample opportunity for making everyone happy! This said; the MoU and Bylaws have been agreed and signed both by Paul Twomey and by a number of ALSes, there is no way that they can be changed again. But if you think you need more time for the phases of the election process that was agreed, I am personally fine with allowing for some more time to let Easter pass - for example, 1-22 April for nominations, 23-29 April for discussion, 30 Apr-6 May for consensus building, and 7-11 May for voting. Would that be ok? By the way, the later we go, the lesser are the chances that we can have a GA before the San Juan ICANN meeting. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hello, Vittorio Bertola schrieb:
But if you think you need more time for the phases of the election process that was agreed, I am personally fine with allowing for some more time to let Easter pass - for example, 1-22 April for nominations, 23-29 April for discussion, 30 Apr-6 May for consensus building, and 7-11 May for voting.
Would that be ok? By the way, the later we go, the lesser are the chances that we can have a GA before the San Juan ICANN meeting.
Yes, that would be better! Kind Regards, Werner
To be clear: I did not suggest to change MoU or Bylaws. What I said was that the timetable is too narrow and that we need a working group to discuss the open issues. Vittorios last timeline sounds much better for me but April 20 is too close. I proposed May 15 for end of nominations. My compromise proposal is May 1 for end of nominations (with a certain flexoibility to extend thuis if proposals arfrive before the final discussion and voting. This gives us some more time for outreach and to invite nominations both from the existing ALS as well as from individuals. BTW, Werners concerns should be taken seriously. Nobody commented on my point with regard to trust and confidence building among ALS. It is not enough to post something elsewere and then to declare that an ALS is either unprofessional or does not understand how the process is working out. This is a form of arrogance we do not need. ALM should stand for principle of openess, transparency and inclusivness. If we win confiednece and loos thre weeks wen can celebrate this as a victory. Wolfgang Here is again the list of certified ALS and the ALS weith not yet confirmed applications. We should send a well structured informaiton to all so that we sdo not give the expression of exclsuion. Nick and others have reconfirmed several times that nobody wants to exclude anybody. But believe me with my long experiences in communication thery and practice. Some peopole feel excluded if they do not get a personal inivation. And with such a small group of ALS it should not be too time consuming to have this direct dialogue in such a crucial question like the final steps in the formation of and the first elections. Europe (90) KEPKA-Consumers' Protection Centre <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/kepka-02feb07.pd...> (2 February 2007) Status: Step III -- ALAC conducting due diligence (89) Slovenian Consumers Association (ZPS) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/zps-25jan07.pdf> (25 January 2007) Status: Step III -- ALAC conducting due diligence (78) ISOC France chapitre français de l'Internet Society <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-france-07no...> (7 November 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (73) Comunica-ch - the Swiss Platform on the Information Society <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/comunica-ch-16se...> (16 September 2006) Status: Step IV -- ALAC Reviewing Application (58) Medienstadt Leipzig <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/medienstadt-18ma...> (18 May 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (52) TERRE DES FEMMES e.V. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/frauenrechte-15f...> (15 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (51) FIfF (Forum InformatikerInnen für Frieden und gesellschaftliche Verantwortung) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/FIfF-15feb06.htm> (15 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (50) Committee for a Democratic United Nations (Komitee für eine Demokratische UNO) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/uno-komitee-15fe...> (15 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (48) IIAV (Internationaal Informatie Centrum en Archief voor de Vrouwenbeweging) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/IIAV-14feb06.htm> (14 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Not certified as At-Large Structure (47) Deutsche Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/DVD-13feb06.htm> (13 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (46) FoeBuD e.V. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/FoeBuD-13feb06.h...> (13 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (45) Humanistische Union e.V. (The Humanist Union) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/HumanistUnion-13...> (13 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (44) netzwerk neue medien (nnm) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/nnm-10feb06.htm> (10 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (43) Ynternet.org Institute <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/Ynternet-08feb06...> (8 February 2006) Status: Step III -- Due Dilligence Review (40) TldWorld.info <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/TldWorld-04jan06...> (4 January 2006) Status: Step VII -- Not certified as At-Large Structure (25) Internet Society Nederland (ISOC.nl) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-nederland-0...> (3 January 2005) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (23) Internet Society Belgium <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-belgium-21s...> (21 September 2004) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (14) Internet Society - Catalan Chapter <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-cat-19jan04...> (19 January 2004) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (10) Internet Society - Finland <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-finland-22n...> (22 November 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (8) Internet Society - Bulgaria <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-bulgaria-30...> (30 October 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (6) Internet Society (ISOC) Luxembourg A.S.B.L. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isocluxem-27oct0...> (27 October 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (5) Förderverein Informationstechnik und Gesellschaft (FITUG) e.V <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/fitug-20oct03.ht...> (20 October 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure (1) Societa' Internet (ISOC Italy) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/societa-internet...> (4 September 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Vittorio Bertola Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 19:21 An: Annette Muehlberg Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Annette Muehlberg ha scritto:
I very much hope that there is not a serious discussion on deliberately excluding accredited ALSes which happened to have no chance to attend the Lisbon Meeting. This is certainly not something I would have given my signature for.
No one wants to exclude anyone. But you also have to understand the feelings among people who spared one week of their life to come to Lisbon, went through three days of hard discussions, with some very heated moments, went to a great distance to reach compromise and consensus, and now see people asking to change again what had been agreed. Anyway, I think that there is ample opportunity for making everyone happy! This said; the MoU and Bylaws have been agreed and signed both by Paul Twomey and by a number of ALSes, there is no way that they can be changed again. But if you think you need more time for the phases of the election process that was agreed, I am personally fine with allowing for some more time to let Easter pass - for example, 1-22 April for nominations, 23-29 April for discussion, 30 Apr-6 May for consensus building, and 7-11 May for voting. Would that be ok? By the way, the later we go, the lesser are the chances that we can have a GA before the San Juan ICANN meeting. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i...
Ok. I would have preferred some more time, but I think we could all agree on the compromise of 1st of May. Certainly a good date in the spirit of international solidarity! ;-) best annette Wolfgang Kleinwächter schrieb:
To be clear: I did not suggest to change MoU or Bylaws. What I said was that the timetable is too narrow and that we need a working group to discuss the open issues. Vittorios last timeline sounds much better for me but April 20 is too close. I proposed May 15 for end of nominations. My compromise proposal is May 1 for end of nominations (with a certain flexoibility to extend thuis if proposals arfrive before the final discussion and voting. This gives us some more time for outreach and to invite nominations both from the existing ALS as well as from individuals.
BTW, Werners concerns should be taken seriously. Nobody commented on my point with regard to trust and confidence building among ALS. It is not enough to post something elsewere and then to declare that an ALS is either unprofessional or does not understand how the process is working out. This is a form of arrogance we do not need. ALM should stand for principle of openess, transparency and inclusivness. If we win confiednece and loos thre weeks wen can celebrate this as a victory.
Wolfgang
Here is again the list of certified ALS and the ALS weith not yet confirmed applications. We should send a well structured informaiton to all so that we sdo not give the expression of exclsuion. Nick and others have reconfirmed several times that nobody wants to exclude anybody. But believe me with my long experiences in communication thery and practice. Some peopole feel excluded if they do not get a personal inivation. And with such a small group of ALS it should not be too time consuming to have this direct dialogue in such a crucial question like the final steps in the formation of and the first elections.
Europe
(90) KEPKA-Consumers' Protection Centre <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/kepka-02feb07.pd...> (2 February 2007) Status: Step III -- ALAC conducting due diligence
(89) Slovenian Consumers Association (ZPS) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/zps-25jan07.pdf> (25 January 2007) Status: Step III -- ALAC conducting due diligence
(78) ISOC France chapitre français de l'Internet Society <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-france-07no...> (7 November 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(73) Comunica-ch - the Swiss Platform on the Information Society <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/comunica-ch-16se...> (16 September 2006) Status: Step IV -- ALAC Reviewing Application
(58) Medienstadt Leipzig <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/medienstadt-18ma...> (18 May 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(52) TERRE DES FEMMES e.V. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/frauenrechte-15f...> (15 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(51) FIfF (Forum InformatikerInnen für Frieden und gesellschaftliche Verantwortung) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/FIfF-15feb06.htm> (15 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(50) Committee for a Democratic United Nations (Komitee für eine Demokratische UNO) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/uno-komitee-15fe...> (15 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(48) IIAV (Internationaal Informatie Centrum en Archief voor de Vrouwenbeweging) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/IIAV-14feb06.htm> (14 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Not certified as At-Large Structure
(47) Deutsche Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/DVD-13feb06.htm> (13 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(46) FoeBuD e.V. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/FoeBuD-13feb06.h...> (13 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(45) Humanistische Union e.V. (The Humanist Union) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/HumanistUnion-13...> (13 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(44) netzwerk neue medien (nnm) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/nnm-10feb06.htm> (10 February 2006) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(43) Ynternet.org Institute <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/Ynternet-08feb06...> (8 February 2006) Status: Step III -- Due Dilligence Review
(40) TldWorld.info <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/TldWorld-04jan06...> (4 January 2006) Status: Step VII -- Not certified as At-Large Structure
(25) Internet Society Nederland (ISOC.nl) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-nederland-0...> (3 January 2005) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(23) Internet Society Belgium <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-belgium-21s...> (21 September 2004) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(14) Internet Society - Catalan Chapter <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-cat-19jan04...> (19 January 2004) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(10) Internet Society - Finland <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-finland-22n...> (22 November 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(8) Internet Society - Bulgaria <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isoc-bulgaria-30...> (30 October 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(6) Internet Society (ISOC) Luxembourg A.S.B.L. <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/isocluxem-27oct0...> (27 October 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(5) Förderverein Informationstechnik und Gesellschaft (FITUG) e.V <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/fitug-20oct03.ht...> (20 October 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
(1) Societa' Internet (ISOC Italy) <https://server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/europe/applications/societa-internet...> (4 September 2003) Status: Step VII -- Certified as At-Large Structure
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Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Vittorio Bertola Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 19:21 An: Annette Muehlberg Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Annette Muehlberg ha scritto:
I very much hope that there is not a serious discussion on deliberately excluding accredited ALSes which happened to have no chance to attend the Lisbon Meeting. This is certainly not something I would have given my signature for.
No one wants to exclude anyone. But you also have to understand the feelings among people who spared one week of their life to come to Lisbon, went through three days of hard discussions, with some very heated moments, went to a great distance to reach compromise and consensus, and now see people asking to change again what had been agreed. Anyway, I think that there is ample opportunity for making everyone happy!
This said; the MoU and Bylaws have been agreed and signed both by Paul Twomey and by a number of ALSes, there is no way that they can be changed again. But if you think you need more time for the phases of the election process that was agreed, I am personally fine with allowing for some more time to let Easter pass - for example, 1-22 April for nominations, 23-29 April for discussion, 30 Apr-6 May for consensus building, and 7-11 May for voting.
Would that be ok? By the way, the later we go, the lesser are the chances that we can have a GA before the San Juan ICANN meeting. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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Annette Muehlberg wrote:
Ok. I would have preferred some more time, but I think we could all agree on the compromise of 1st of May. Certainly a good date in the spirit of international solidarity!
Personally, I am fine with any timeline as long as the our elected representatives to the ALAC get enough time to organize 7 day trip away from their main job and family. Which means that, in practice, they should be selected by May 15th at the very last. Patrick
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