Re: [EURO-Discuss] not so fast (Re: SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL)
Definitely - I'm not ignoring you Thomas, I'm just under the gun to finish the staging order for the ceremony tomorrow rather urgently as it is quite complex and involves many people as you can imagine... On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org> wrote:
Hi Nick,
how about an answer to the questions in this message?
| From: Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org> | To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, | Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> | Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200 | Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs
On another matter, I notice the following in your proposed electronic signing statement:
| I hereby consent for [INSERT ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by | the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the | Signing Organisations in the European Region as if I were personally | signing the document.
How does this language (which clearly suggests some kind of binding effect) mix with this statement of yours to the na-discuss list, made last Friday?
| From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> | Subj: Re: [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended beneficiary | of RALO MOUs | Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am | Size: 2K | To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy@seltzer.com> | cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda@afcn.org>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org | | To clarify, as I have been given to understand the MoUs between ICANN | and the regions is not a contract as that term is understood in law. | It is an agreement, but not of legal standing such as a contract.
Thanks for your clarification, -- Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org>
On 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> To: bruch@humanistische-union.de, kiravuo@tml.hut.fi, Wolfgang Kleinwächter <Wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>, wolfgang@imv.au.dk, aoliva@isoc-cat.org, aoliva@diplomaticnet.com, dpefeva@isoc.bg, patrick@vande-walle.eu, Patrick@isoc.lu, rudi.vansnick@isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr Cc: Europe Discuss <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100 Subject: [EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> List-Id: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org> X-Spam-Level: X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5
Dear All:
I have heard from the following people with the details required to finish the signature page.
IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!
Internet Society - Bulgaria Signing person: Dragoslava Pefeva Position: Coordinator for ALAC
Name of Organisation: Medienstadt Leipzig e.V.
Name of Signer: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
Position of Signer: Member of the Board
Name of Organisation : Internet Society Belgium
Name of Signer : Rudi Vansnick
Position of Signer : Chair
Name of Organisation Internet Society Luxembourg
Name of Signer Patrick Vande Walle
Position of Signer Chairman
Name of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet Society – Isoc France
Name of Signer Sébastien Bachollet
Position of Signer Président
DIGITAL SIGNERS
(SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)
Christophe BRUCH "German Civil Liberties Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)
Board Member
Name of Organisation: netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new media (nnm)
Name of Signer: Annette Muehlberg
Position of Signer: Chair
_______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i...
-- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
On 2007-03-28 14:18:00 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Definitely - I'm not ignoring you Thomas, I'm just under the gun to finish the staging order for the ceremony tomorrow rather urgently as it is quite complex and involves many people as you can imagine...
Just in case you didn't notice -- the questions I'm asking are about the substance of what is apparently going to be signed, and I think it would be appropriate to deal with these well before the signing ceremony. -- Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org>
On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org> wrote:
Hi Nick,
how about an answer to the questions in this message?
| From: Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org> | To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, | Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> | Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200 | Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs
On another matter, I notice the following in your proposed electronic signing statement:
| I hereby consent for [INSERT ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by | the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the | Signing Organisations in the European Region as if I were personally | signing the document.
How does this language (which clearly suggests some kind of binding effect) mix with this statement of yours to the na-discuss list, made last Friday?
| From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> | Subj: Re: [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended beneficiary | of RALO MOUs | Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am | Size: 2K | To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy@seltzer.com> | cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda@afcn.org>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org | | To clarify, as I have been given to understand the MoUs between ICANN | and the regions is not a contract as that term is understood in law. | It is an agreement, but not of legal standing such as a contract.
Thanks for your clarification, -- Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org>
On 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> To: bruch@humanistische-union.de, kiravuo@tml.hut.fi, Wolfgang Kleinwächter <Wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>, wolfgang@imv.au.dk, aoliva@isoc-cat.org, aoliva@diplomaticnet.com, dpefeva@isoc.bg, patrick@vande-walle.eu, Patrick@isoc.lu, rudi.vansnick@isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr Cc: Europe Discuss <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100 Subject: [EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> List-Id: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org> X-Spam-Level: X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5
Dear All:
I have heard from the following people with the details required to finish the signature page.
IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!
Internet Society - Bulgaria Signing person: Dragoslava Pefeva Position: Coordinator for ALAC
Name of Organisation: Medienstadt Leipzig e.V.
Name of Signer: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
Position of Signer: Member of the Board
Name of Organisation : Internet Society Belgium
Name of Signer : Rudi Vansnick
Position of Signer : Chair
Name of Organisation Internet Society Luxembourg
Name of Signer Patrick Vande Walle
Position of Signer Chairman
Name of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet Society – Isoc France
Name of Signer Sébastien Bachollet
Position of Signer Président
DIGITAL SIGNERS
(SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)
Christophe BRUCH "German Civil Liberties Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)
Board Member
Name of Organisation: netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new media (nnm)
Name of Signer: Annette Muehlberg
Position of Signer: Chair
_______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i...
-- -- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
I have to agree with Thomas that I'd rather people knew the meaning of what they were signing than where they were to stand on stage. --Wendy At 09:21 AM 3/28/2007, Thomas Roessler wrote: >On 2007-03-28 14:18:00 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > Definitely - I'm not ignoring you Thomas, I'm > just under the gun> to finish the staging order > for the ceremony tomorrow rather > > urgently as it is quite complex and involves > many people as you> can imagine... >Just in case you didn't notice -- the questions >I'm asking are aboutthe substance of what is >apparently going to be signed, and I thinkit >would be appropriate to deal with these well before the signingceremony. >-- Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org> > > > > > > > On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler > <roessler@does-not-exist.org> wrote:> >Hi > Nick,> >> >how about an answer to the questions > in this message?> >> >| From: Thomas Roessler > <roessler@does-not-exist.org>> >| To: > nick.ashton-hart@icann.org,> >| > Discussion for At-Large Europe > <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >| > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200> >| > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the > MoUs> >> >On another matter, I notice the > following in your proposed> >electronic signing > statement:> >> >| I hereby consent for [INSERT > ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by> >| the > terms of the Memorandum of Understanding > between ICANN and the> >| Signing Organisations > in the European Region as if I were > personally> >| signing the document.> >> >How > does this language (which clearly suggests some > kind of binding> >effect) mix with this > statement of yours to the na-discuss > list,> >made last Friday?> >> >| From: "Nick > Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >| Subj: Re: [NA-Di! >scuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended >beneficiary> >| of RALO MOUs> >| Date: Fri >Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am> >| Size: 2K> >| >To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy@seltzer.com>> >| >cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda@afcn.org>, >na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >|> >| To >clarify, as I have been given to understand the >MoUs between ICANN> >| and the regions is not a >contract as that term is understood in law.> >| >It is an agreement, but not of legal standing >such as a contract.> >> >Thanks for your >clarification,> >--> >Thomas >Roessler ><roessler@does-not-exist.org>> >> >> >> >> >> >On > 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart >wrote:> >> From: Nick Ashton-Hart ><nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >> To: >bruch@humanistische-union.de, >kiravuo@tml.hut.fi,> >> Wolfgang >Kleinwächter> >> ><Wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>,> > >> wolfgang@imv.au.dk, >aoliva@isoc-cat.org, >aoliva@diplomaticnet.com,> >> >dpefeva@isoc.bg, patrick@vande-walle.eu, Patrick@isoc.l! >u,> >> rudi.vansnick@isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet@isoc.! >fr> >> Cc: Europe Discuss ><euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> Date: >Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100> >> Subject: >[EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT >EMAIL> >> Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large >Europe> >> ><euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> >List-Id: Discussion for At-Large >Europe> >> ><euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org>> > >> X-Spam-Level:> >> X-Bogosity: Ham, >tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, >version=1.1.5> >>> >> Dear All:> >>> >> I have >heard from the following people with the details >required to finish> >> the signature >page.> >>> >> IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW >PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY> >> >WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS >OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!> >>> >> Internet Society >- Bulgaria> >> Signing person: Dragoslava >Pefeva> >> Position: Coordinator for >ALAC> >>> >> Name of Organisation: Medienstadt >Leipzig e.V.> >>> >> Name of Signer: Wolfgang >Kleinwächter> >>> >> Position of Signe! >r: Member of the Board> >>> >> > Name of >Organisation : Internet Society >Belgium> >>> >> > Name of Signer : Rudi >Vansnick> >>> >> > Position of Signer : >Chair> >>> >> Name of Organisation Internet >Society Luxembourg> >>> >> Name of >Signer Patrick Vande Walle> >>> >> >Position of Signer Chairman> >>> >> Name >of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet >Society Isoc> >> France> >>> >> Name of Signer >Sébastien Bachollet> >>> >> Position of Signer >Président> >>> >>> >> DIGITAL SIGNERS> >>> >> >(SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)> >>> >> >Christophe BRUCH> >> "German Civil Liberties >Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)> >>> >> >Board Member> >>> >> > Name of Organisation: >netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new >media> >> (nnm)> >>> >> > Name of Signer: >Annette Muehlberg> >>> >> > Position of Signer: >Chair> >> >> >_______________________________________________> > >> EURO-Discuss mailing list> >> >EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> http://atlarge-lis! >ts.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.ican! >n.org> >> >> >> > > -- > -- > Regards,> > Nick >Ashton-Hart> PO Box 32160> London N4 2XY> United >Kingdom> UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011> USA Tel: +1 >(202) 657-5460> Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135> mobile: >+44 (7774) 932798> Win IM: >ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: >nashtonhart@mac.com /> Skype: nashtonhart> >Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart> > > >_______________________________________________ALAC >mailing >listALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttp://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >www.alac.icann.orgwww.icannalac.org -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
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