March 28, 2007
1:31 p.m.
I have to agree with Thomas that I'd rather people knew the meaning of what they were signing than where they were to stand on stage. --Wendy At 09:21 AM 3/28/2007, Thomas Roessler wrote: >On 2007-03-28 14:18:00 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > Definitely - I'm not ignoring you Thomas, I'm > just under the gun> to finish the staging order > for the ceremony tomorrow rather > > urgently as it is quite complex and involves > many people as you> can imagine... >Just in case you didn't notice -- the questions >I'm asking are aboutthe substance of what is >apparently going to be signed, and I thinkit >would be appropriate to deal with these well before the signingceremony. >-- Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org> > > > > > > > On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler > <roessler@does-not-exist.org> wrote:> >Hi > Nick,> >> >how about an answer to the questions > in this message?> >> >| From: Thomas Roessler > <roessler@does-not-exist.org>> >| To: > nick.ashton-hart@icann.org,> >| > Discussion for At-Large Europe > <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >| > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200> >| > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the > MoUs> >> >On another matter, I notice the > following in your proposed> >electronic signing > statement:> >> >| I hereby consent for [INSERT > ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by> >| the > terms of the Memorandum of Understanding > between ICANN and the> >| Signing Organisations > in the European Region as if I were > personally> >| signing the document.> >> >How > does this language (which clearly suggests some > kind of binding> >effect) mix with this > statement of yours to the na-discuss > list,> >made last Friday?> >> >| From: "Nick > Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >| Subj: Re: [NA-Di! >scuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended >beneficiary> >| of RALO MOUs> >| Date: Fri >Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am> >| Size: 2K> >| >To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy@seltzer.com>> >| >cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda@afcn.org>, >na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >|> >| To >clarify, as I have been given to understand the >MoUs between ICANN> >| and the regions is not a >contract as that term is understood in law.> >| >It is an agreement, but not of legal standing >such as a contract.> >> >Thanks for your >clarification,> >--> >Thomas >Roessler ><roessler@does-not-exist.org>> >> >> >> >> >> >On > 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart >wrote:> >> From: Nick Ashton-Hart ><nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >> To: >bruch@humanistische-union.de, >kiravuo@tml.hut.fi,> >> Wolfgang >Kleinwächter> >> ><Wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>,> > >> wolfgang@imv.au.dk, >aoliva@isoc-cat.org, >aoliva@diplomaticnet.com,> >> >dpefeva@isoc.bg, patrick@vande-walle.eu, Patrick@isoc.l! >u,> >> rudi.vansnick@isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet@isoc.! >fr> >> Cc: Europe Discuss ><euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> Date: >Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100> >> Subject: >[EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT >EMAIL> >> Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large >Europe> >> ><euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> >List-Id: Discussion for At-Large >Europe> >> ><euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org>> > >> X-Spam-Level:> >> X-Bogosity: Ham, >tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, >version=1.1.5> >>> >> Dear All:> >>> >> I have >heard from the following people with the details >required to finish> >> the signature >page.> >>> >> IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW >PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY> >> >WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS >OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!> >>> >> Internet Society >- Bulgaria> >> Signing person: Dragoslava >Pefeva> >> Position: Coordinator for >ALAC> >>> >> Name of Organisation: Medienstadt >Leipzig e.V.> >>> >> Name of Signer: Wolfgang >Kleinwächter> >>> >> Position of Signe! >r: Member of the Board> >>> >> > Name of >Organisation : Internet Society >Belgium> >>> >> > Name of Signer : Rudi >Vansnick> >>> >> > Position of Signer : >Chair> >>> >> Name of Organisation Internet >Society Luxembourg> >>> >> Name of >Signer Patrick Vande Walle> >>> >> >Position of Signer Chairman> >>> >> Name >of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet >Society Isoc> >> France> >>> >> Name of Signer >Sébastien Bachollet> >>> >> Position of Signer >Président> >>> >>> >> DIGITAL SIGNERS> >>> >> >(SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)> >>> >> >Christophe BRUCH> >> "German Civil Liberties >Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)> >>> >> >Board Member> >>> >> > Name of Organisation: >netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new >media> >> (nnm)> >>> >> > Name of Signer: >Annette Muehlberg> >>> >> > Position of Signer: >Chair> >> >> >_______________________________________________> > >> EURO-Discuss mailing list> >> >EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> http://atlarge-lis! >ts.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.ican! >n.org> >> >> >> > > -- > -- > Regards,> > Nick >Ashton-Hart> PO Box 32160> London N4 2XY> United >Kingdom> UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011> USA Tel: +1 >(202) 657-5460> Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135> mobile: >+44 (7774) 932798> Win IM: >ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: >nashtonhart@mac.com /> Skype: nashtonhart> >Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart> > > >_______________________________________________ALAC >mailing >listALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttp://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >www.alac.icann.orgwww.icannalac.org -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/