Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
May I just encourage everyone not to abandon the consensus process agreed in Lisbon. It was agreed and it isn't a very good precedent if something that a large body of ALSes all found agreement on is immediately proposed to be discarded before it has even had a chance to work - if more time is needed for some of the steps, that will become clear, and I'm sure that all parties will see the sense of extending things and it will be seen as the natural thing to do. I certainly understand your points about the amount of time - but this was considered quite carefully by your colleagues and discarding elements of that agreement would likely produce the same negative by-products which you wish to avoid... On 31/03/07, Wolfgang Kleinwächter <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
Tahnks Vittorio,
I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers organisation.
BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member. Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN context visible.
Best
wolfgang
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Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu] Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25 An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this
I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work.
About the last two points:
4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Easter.
In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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As an outside observer, I find it troubling if a "consensus" developed in a few days of face-to-face meetings can override a long period of preceding discussion. While I recognize that face-to-face meetings can be productive, they also exclude many participants even when ICANN provides funding. This seems as disturbing a form of capture as others about which this group has expressed concern. --Wendy Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
May I just encourage everyone not to abandon the consensus process agreed in Lisbon. It was agreed and it isn't a very good precedent if something that a large body of ALSes all found agreement on is immediately proposed to be discarded before it has even had a chance to work - if more time is needed for some of the steps, that will become clear, and I'm sure that all parties will see the sense of extending things and it will be seen as the natural thing to do.
I certainly understand your points about the amount of time - but this was considered quite carefully by your colleagues and discarding elements of that agreement would likely produce the same negative by-products which you wish to avoid...
On 31/03/07, Wolfgang Kleinwächter <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
Tahnks Vittorio,
I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers organisation.
BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member. Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN context visible.
Best
wolfgang
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Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu] Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25 An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work.
About the last two points:
4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Easter. In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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Hello, till now I didn't receive a protocoll about the meeting in Lisbon. I also didn't receive a timetable about the next steps. Pleas send this to the list! I agree with Wolfgang: All ALS-Memebers has to be informed and must have time to take part on all next steps! Greatings Werner On 31 Mar 2007 at 16:24, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
May I just encourage everyone not to abandon the consensus process agreed in Lisbon. It was agreed and it isn't a very good precedent if something that a large body of ALSes all found agreement on is immediately proposed to be discarded before it has even had a chance to work - if more time is needed for some of the steps, that will become clear, and I'm sure that all parties will see the sense of extending things and it will be seen as the natural thing to do.
I certainly understand your points about the amount of time - but this was considered quite carefully by your colleagues and discarding elements of that agreement would likely produce the same negative by-products which you wish to avoid...
On 31/03/07, Wolfgang Kleinwächter <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
Tahnks Vittorio,
I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers organisation.
BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member. Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN context visible.
Best
wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu] Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25 An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this
I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work.
About the last two points:
4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Easter.
In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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Werner Hülsmann ha scritto:
Hello,
till now I didn't receive a protocoll about the meeting in Lisbon. I also didn't receive a timetable about the next steps. Pleas send this to the list!
It was sent to the list on Tuesday, see here: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.or... That message has pointers to the final MoU and Bylaws (the Bylaws need cleaning and renumbering, which staff will do asap) and an attachment with the approved procedure. For the sake of clarity, I am pasting it here - hope it is useful: ====== 1 - 14 April Nominations accepted on euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org for: * At least five seats on the Board of the EURALO – 3 for one year (ending at the EURALO AGM in 2008, and 2 for two years – ending at the EURALO AGM in 2009. * One At-Large Advisory Committee seat for a term lasting from the date of the election until the ICANN AGM in 2008 * One At-Large Advisory Committee seat for a term from the date of the election until the ICANN AGM in 2009 Nominations may be self nominations, or nominations of others. It is acceptable for an nomination to be an expression of willingness to serve in one or more capacities, and to note a preference with respect to one position or another, if that is desirable. Where a nomination of others is made, the person nominated must accept the nomination on or before the 14th April. All nominations must be seconded to be carried forward. An ALS representative may choose to nominate for all the available positions, or only some of them. All nominations to be posted on a wiki page by the Staff, the page being publicly accessible. The seconding of nominations will be noted. Each ALS to provide, by email to the euro-discuss list, the name of the authorised representative to vote in the election on behalf of that organisation. The Staff will keep the list current. 15 – 22 April Discussion of Nominations and of the number of EURALO Board seats on the euro-discuss list. ALSes are free to discuss on the ALS list as well, especially with respect to nominations of persons not a member of an existing ALS, if there are any such nominations. 23 – 29 April One or more teleconferences to be held at a convenient time for the majority of ALSes at some point during this period, arranged by the Staff, for the purpose of discussing nominations with a view to attempting to reach a consensus, to the extent possible, on as many of the open positions as possible, and on the number of Board members. The teleconferences may agree to postpone the following phase by a maximum of two weeks if participants feel the need for more time to reach consensus. 1 – 5 May For those positions which could not be filled by consensus, an electronic vote shall be held. For this vote, for what regards the remaining open positions, separately for the EURALO Board and for the ALAC members, each ALS will rank all the candidates (no one excluded) in an order of preference, from the most liked candidate (1) to the least liked one. Then the ranking of each candidate will be added up, and the candidates with less total points (compatibly with eligibility and diversity requirements) will be elected. Among the elected candidates, the ones with less total points will get the longer terms. One person from outside the European region, selected by the ALAC, will act, alongside the staff, as verifier of the vote results, and the Staff will ensure that they have the requisite level of access to the voting system to do so. Voting shall operate as provided in the version of the EURALO bylaws as agreed on 24th March 2007 at the Lisbon meeting. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hello Vittorio, thanks for your information. Has this mail also send to the list "euro-als@atlarge- lists.icann.org"? Over this list I didn't receive any information in the last time. But I think such offical infomation should also be sent to the list euro-als@atlarge- lists.icann.org and not only to this discussion list. Greatings, Werner On 31 Mar 2007 at 18:10, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
Werner Hülsmann ha scritto:
Hello,
till now I didn't receive a protocoll about the meeting in Lisbon. I also didn't receive a timetable about the next steps. Pleas send this to the list!
It was sent to the list on Tuesday, see here: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic ann.org/2007-March/000162.html
That message has pointers to the final MoU and Bylaws (the Bylaws need cleaning and renumbering, which staff will do asap) and an attachment with the approved procedure. For the sake of clarity, I am pasting it here - hope it is useful:
====== 1 - 14 April
Nominations accepted on euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org for: * At least five seats on the Board of the EURALO - 3 for one year (ending at the EURALO AGM in 2008, and 2 for two years - ending at the EURALO AGM in 2009. * One At-Large Advisory Committee seat for a term lasting from the date of the election until the ICANN AGM in 2008 * One At-Large Advisory Committee seat for a term from the date of the election until the ICANN AGM in 2009
Nominations may be self nominations, or nominations of others.
It is acceptable for an nomination to be an expression of willingness to serve in one or more capacities, and to note a preference with respect to one position or another, if that is desirable.
Where a nomination of others is made, the person nominated must accept the nomination on or before the 14th April.
All nominations must be seconded to be carried forward.
An ALS representative may choose to nominate for all the available positions, or only some of them.
All nominations to be posted on a wiki page by the Staff, the page being publicly accessible. The seconding of nominations will be noted.
Each ALS to provide, by email to the euro-discuss list, the name of the authorised representative to vote in the election on behalf of that organisation. The Staff will keep the list current.
15 - 22 April
Discussion of Nominations and of the number of EURALO Board seats on the euro-discuss list. ALSes are free to discuss on the ALS list as well, especially with respect to nominations of persons not a member of an existing ALS, if there are any such nominations.
23 - 29 April
One or more teleconferences to be held at a convenient time for the majority of ALSes at some point during this period, arranged by the Staff, for the purpose of discussing nominations with a view to attempting to reach a consensus, to the extent possible, on as many of the open positions as possible, and on the number of Board members. The teleconferences may agree to postpone the following phase by a maximum of two weeks if participants feel the need for more time to reach consensus.
1 - 5 May
For those positions which could not be filled by consensus, an electronic vote shall be held. For this vote, for what regards the remaining open positions, separately for the EURALO Board and for the ALAC members, each ALS will rank all the candidates (no one excluded) in an order of preference, from the most liked candidate (1) to the least liked one. Then the ranking of each candidate will be added up, and the candidates with less total points (compatibly with eligibility and diversity requirements) will be elected. Among the elected candidates, the ones with less total points will get the longer terms.
One person from outside the European region, selected by the ALAC, will act, alongside the staff, as verifier of the vote results, and the Staff will ensure that they have the requisite level of access to the voting system to do so.
Voting shall operate as provided in the version of the EURALO bylaws as agreed on 24th March 2007 at the Lisbon meeting. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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Hello Nick, I'm the official representativ of the ALS "Deutsche Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V.). My official E-Mail-Adresse is huelsmann@datenschutzverein.de . At this official E-Mail-Adresse there was till now neiter an information about the results of Lisbon nor an information about the timetable for the next steps! How can this be? I wasn't able to take part in Lisbon because I had to do my business. Sorry for that, but I've also to earn some money because all my work for the DVD and for EurALO isn't paied. So I need some more informations! Please send them to all the official contacts of teh ALSes. It can't be, that only the ALSes, which signed the MoU already can take part on the next step. At first, there must be enough time for als ALSes to sign the MoU. Because of Eastern the timetable mentioned on https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?nominations_2007 is to short. On the Page https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?lisbon_icann_meeting is no link to the bylaws and the MoU. Why not? Please take care that all ALSes are well informed about the results of Lisbon! Greatings, Werner On 31 Mar 2007 at 16:24, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
May I just encourage everyone not to abandon the consensus process agreed in Lisbon. It was agreed and it isn't a very good precedent if something that a large body of ALSes all found agreement on is immediately proposed to be discarded before it has even had a chance to work - if more time is needed for some of the steps, that will become clear, and I'm sure that all parties will see the sense of extending things and it will be seen as the natural thing to do.
I certainly understand your points about the amount of time - but this was considered quite carefully by your colleagues and discarding elements of that agreement would likely produce the same negative by-products which you wish to avoid...
On 31/03/07, Wolfgang Kleinwächter <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
Tahnks Vittorio,
I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers organisation.
BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member. Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN context visible.
Best
wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu] Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25 An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we should build on this
I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work.
About the last two points:
4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and ALAC reps should start after Easter.
In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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So I need some more informations! Please send them to all the official contacts of teh ALSes.
I think that your point on this is well taken.
It can't be, that only the ALSes, which signed the MoU already can take part on the next step. At first, there must be enough time for als ALSes to sign the MoU.
I have asked the same question and we should get a final opinion from ICANN lawyers, but for what I understand, ALSes have at least until the MoU comes into full effect, at the end of the compulsory public review period, on 20th April 2007 at 12:00 UTC. A procedure for signing remotely was already sent on the (euro-discuss) list. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hello Vittorio, Vittorio Bertola schrieb:
A procedure for signing remotely was already sent on the (euro-discuss) list.
It should also sent to the list euro-als@atlarge- lists.icann.org I think. Greatings, Werner -- Werner Hülsmann Vorstandsmitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. Obere Laube 48 - D-78462 Konstanz Tel.: +49 7531 36590-56 - Mobil: +49 179 46 86 484 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.de - http://www.datenschutzverein.de
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