EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment
Dear EURALO members, as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU. I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet" This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU. The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text? Kindest regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
Dear Olivier, thanks for the draft. Remarks: - The proposed agreement lists 6 areas or methods of collaboration, mainly covering exchange of information and mutual awareness. Item 6 provides for ''Collaborating on joint capacity building events and related activities of mutual interest, including meetings, training courses, projects and workshops in the areas of Internet policy and Internet governance.’’ - In its present formulation, the above could just as well be an agreement between state agencies, commercial entities or NGOs. This does not adequately reflect the specific area of responsibility of EURALO and its ALSs, which is to promote, and where necessary defend, the interests of the global Internet user, in the geographic region as defined by ICANN. - Following on the above remarks, I would suggest including, perhaps as the first item in the list, a general statement underlining the specificity of EURALO, such as: ‘’Identifying Internet developments which have, or are likely to have an impact on the global Internet user; placing the users’ interests and experience at the centre of future Internet structures and processes; making known, and defending where necessary, the interests and requirements of the global Internet user in the European context.’' Best regards, Jean-Jacques. Le 9 août 2017 à 22:37:00, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond (ocl@gih.com) a écrit: Dear EURALO members, as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU. I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet" This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU. The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text? Kindest regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
Thanks, Olivier I like the draft version of the MoU. While I sympathise with Jean-Jacques’ last remark, I first of all think it is outside of EURALO’s scope to ‘identify Internet developments which have, or are likely to have an impact on the global Internet user’ (etc). As the Articles of Association say, ‘The purpose of the Association is to consider and provide advice on the activities of ICANN’. And even that is limited (‘insofar as’). https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/Articles+of+Association More importantly I doubt whether the RIPE NCC would sign up for this item, first in a list of ‘ways’ that ‘Both Parties agree to collaborate in’. The draft MoU clearly states what the two organisations stand for, and it emphasises ‘benefits of mutual collaboration’, and twice 'areas and activities of mutual interest’. (IMO we cannot ask the RIPE NCC to commit to the interests of end-users in this MoU, it’s not part of their objective. That’s why the MoU says ‘Respect for each party’s independence is recognised’) regards Bastiaan
On 10 Aug 2017, at 09:15, Jean-Jacques Subrenat <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
thanks for the draft. Remarks:
- The proposed agreement lists 6 areas or methods of collaboration, mainly covering exchange of information and mutual awareness. Item 6 provides for ''Collaborating on joint capacity building events and related activities of mutual interest, including meetings, training courses, projects and workshops in the areas of Internet policy and Internet governance.’’
- In its present formulation, the above could just as well be an agreement between state agencies, commercial entities or NGOs. This does not adequately reflect the specific area of responsibility of EURALO and its ALSs, which is to promote, and where necessary defend, the interests of the global Internet user, in the geographic region as defined by ICANN.
- Following on the above remarks, I would suggest including, perhaps as the first item in the list, a general statement underlining the specificity of EURALO, such as: ‘’Identifying Internet developments which have, or are likely to have an impact on the global Internet user; placing the users’ interests and experience at the centre of future Internet structures and processes; making known, and defending where necessary, the interests and requirements of the global Internet user in the European context.’'
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
Le 9 août 2017 à 22:37:00, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond (ocl@gih.com) a écrit:
Dear EURALO members,
as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU.
I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet"
This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU.
The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text?
Kindest regards,
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
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+1 to Bastian's comments. Desiree --
On 14 Aug 2017, at 15:26, Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net> wrote:
Thanks, Olivier
I like the draft version of the MoU.
While I sympathise with Jean-Jacques’ last remark, I first of all think it is outside of EURALO’s scope to ‘identify Internet developments which have, or are likely to have an impact on the global Internet user’ (etc). As the Articles of Association say, ‘The purpose of the Association is to consider and provide advice on the activities of ICANN’. And even that is limited (‘insofar as’).
https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/Articles+of+Association
More importantly I doubt whether the RIPE NCC would sign up for this item, first in a list of ‘ways’ that ‘Both Parties agree to collaborate in’.
The draft MoU clearly states what the two organisations stand for, and it emphasises ‘benefits of mutual collaboration’, and twice 'areas and activities of mutual interest’.
(IMO we cannot ask the RIPE NCC to commit to the interests of end-users in this MoU, it’s not part of their objective. That’s why the MoU says ‘Respect for each party’s independence is recognised’)
regards Bastiaan
On 10 Aug 2017, at 09:15, Jean-Jacques Subrenat <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
thanks for the draft. Remarks:
- The proposed agreement lists 6 areas or methods of collaboration, mainly covering exchange of information and mutual awareness. Item 6 provides for ''Collaborating on joint capacity building events and related activities of mutual interest, including meetings, training courses, projects and workshops in the areas of Internet policy and Internet governance.’’
- In its present formulation, the above could just as well be an agreement between state agencies, commercial entities or NGOs. This does not adequately reflect the specific area of responsibility of EURALO and its ALSs, which is to promote, and where necessary defend, the interests of the global Internet user, in the geographic region as defined by ICANN.
- Following on the above remarks, I would suggest including, perhaps as the first item in the list, a general statement underlining the specificity of EURALO, such as: ‘’Identifying Internet developments which have, or are likely to have an impact on the global Internet user; placing the users’ interests and experience at the centre of future Internet structures and processes; making known, and defending where necessary, the interests and requirements of the global Internet user in the European context.’'
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
Le 9 août 2017 à 22:37:00, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond (ocl@gih.com) a écrit:
Dear EURALO members,
as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU.
I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet"
This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU.
The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text?
Kindest regards,
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
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I agree with the proposed additional text. Thank you, Olivier CW
El 9 de agosto de 2017 a las 22:34 Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> escribió:
Dear EURALO members,
as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU.
I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet"
This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU.
The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text?
Kindest regards,
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
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Hi, this is an important step forward. Thx. for doing this. Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Wilkinson Christopher Gesendet: Do 10.08.2017 15:33 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment I agree with the proposed additional text. Thank you, Olivier CW
El 9 de agosto de 2017 a las 22:34 Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> escribió:
Dear EURALO members,
as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU.
I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet"
This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU.
The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text?
Kindest regards,
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
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Dear Olivier, dear Wolf thanks for your effort. I do support the current text. All the best Rainer Rodewald Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond schrieb:
Dear EURALO members,
as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU.
I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet"
This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU.
The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text?
Kindest regards,
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
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Dear Olivier, I was also reading through the document and I want to confirm the support of the MoU. Kindest regards, Matthias _________________________ Ing. Matthias Markus Hudobnik <mailto:matthias@hudobnik.at> matthias@hudobnik.at <http://www.hudobnik.at/> http://www.hudobnik.at Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. August 2017 22:34 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment Dear EURALO members, as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU. I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet" This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU. The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text? Kindest regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
Dear Olivier, dear all, I would also like to confirm my support. All the best Annette *** Annette Mühlberg Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Matthias Markus Hudobnik Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2017 20:19 An: 'Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond'; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment Dear Olivier, I was also reading through the document and I want to confirm the support of the MoU. Kindest regards, Matthias _________________________ Ing. Matthias Markus Hudobnik matthias@hudobnik.at<mailto:matthias@hudobnik.at> http://www.hudobnik.at<http://www.hudobnik.at/> Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. August 2017 22:34 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment Dear EURALO members, as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU. I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet" This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU. The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text? Kindest regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
Same with me Best Oliver Passek Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Mühlberg, Annette Gesendet: Montag, 14. August 2017 14:27 An: Matthias Markus Hudobnik; 'Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond'; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment Dear Olivier, dear all, I would also like to confirm my support. All the best Annette *** Annette Mühlberg Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Matthias Markus Hudobnik Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2017 20:19 An: 'Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond'; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment Dear Olivier, I was also reading through the document and I want to confirm the support of the MoU. Kindest regards, Matthias _________________________ Ing. Matthias Markus Hudobnik matthias@hudobnik.at<mailto:matthias@hudobnik.at> http://www.hudobnik.at<http://www.hudobnik.at/> Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. August 2017 22:34 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO-RIPE MoU Draft - please comment Dear EURALO members, as you know, Wolf and I have been in discussions with RIPE NCC, Europe's Regional Internet Registry (RIR), to follow the example of other regions and build some better links between them and EURALO, including the possible signing of a Memorandum of Association for further collaboration. After a few meetings, RIPE has now come back to us with the attached proposed MoU. Please be so kind to comment on the contents of the MoU. I have passed this text by the EURALO Board and have received no objection to present it as is to the EURALO membership. I have presented this text during the last EURALO call and the following suggestion was made to add the following text: "The RIPE NCC and EURALO recognize the benefits of mutual collaboration and support between the Parties on Internet-related issues, including but not limited to mutual cooperation to sustain the global stability of the Internet" This text makes sense and received consensus support on the EURALO call. Should there be no objection, I shall ask RIPE whether they would be agreeable to add this text to the MoU. The format and contents of the MoU are based on the MoUs of other RALO. Do you suggest adding anything else to the text? Kindest regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond EURALO Chair
participants (10)
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"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" -
Bastiaan Goslings -
Desiree Miloshevic -
Jean-Jacques Subrenat -
Matthias Markus Hudobnik -
Mühlberg, Annette -
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond -
Passek, Oliver (MWK) -
Rainer Rodewald -
Wilkinson Christopher