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This announcement was recently made by the European Commission: The European Commission plans to onboard 100 million people to a new EU-based DNS internet infrastructure. The DNS4EU will be developed by international consortium led by Czech company Whalebone. https://www.whalebone.io/post/press-release-dns4eu It's unclear how that will affect the European DNS. If you have any ideas, feel tree to share them. Happy holidays, Olivier
Hi Olivier, Thanks for sharing. Just to understand this initiative, it is an EU replacement for the Google DNS resolvers?. These Google DNS are mostly used by end users, trying to bypass the local (governmental, companies, ISP) DNS censorship/blockades. For end users "any" free of blockades DNS resolver will be the same, as long it resolves in the lesser time possible. In the other hand, or you have your own DNS resolver in company, or you rely on your ISP/Mobile company resolvers, and those are not the Google resolvers. If this is so, I don't quite understand this Initiative, unless as EU you pretend to force every ISP or Mobile company in the EU to use this resolvers in the name of sovereignty. Regards Ricardo Holmquist El vie, 23 dic 2022 16:29, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via EURO-Discuss < euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> escribió:
This announcement was recently made by the European Commission:
The European Commission plans to onboard 100 million people to a new EU-based DNS internet infrastructure. The DNS4EU will be developed by international consortium led by Czech company Whalebone.
https://www.whalebone.io/post/press-release-dns4eu
It's unclear how that will affect the European DNS. If you have any ideas, feel tree to share them. Happy holidays,
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Dear Ricardo, you ask very pertinent questions. In my opinion either this is a service that is open to all and offers an alternative to open resolvers like the Google DNS, etc. which are mostly US based. Thus the metadata associated with the searches will no longer be available to the commercial, for profit operations that offer these services. In this case, it is just another service, and a bit expensive for what it is... Or this service is a first step to making the use of a local DNS server falling under the proposed structure mandatory, for various reasons to "save" European users from resolving sites that have malware & might be a security risk, to start with, quickly moving to and infrastructure that can be used for censorship and totalitarianism in the future. Perhaps the technology could be sold to North Korea too?! Or it's something which I don't understand. That's why I am asking here. Perhaps someone has an inside track to the brilliant minds in Brussels? Best, Olivier On 23/12/2022 18:02, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Hi Olivier, Thanks for sharing.
Just to understand this initiative, it is an EU replacement for the Google DNS resolvers?. These Google DNS are mostly used by end users, trying to bypass the local (governmental, companies, ISP) DNS censorship/blockades.
For end users "any" free of blockades DNS resolver will be the same, as long it resolves in the lesser time possible.
In the other hand, or you have your own DNS resolver in company, or you rely on your ISP/Mobile company resolvers, and those are not the Google resolvers.
If this is so, I don't quite understand this Initiative, unless as EU you pretend to force every ISP or Mobile company in the EU to use this resolvers in the name of sovereignty.
Regards
Ricardo Holmquist
El vie, 23 dic 2022 16:29, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> escribió:
This announcement was recently made by the European Commission:
The European Commission plans to onboard 100 million people to a new EU-based DNS internet infrastructure. The DNS4EU will be developed by international consortium led by Czech company Whalebone.
https://www.whalebone.io/post/press-release-dns4eu
It's unclear how that will affect the European DNS. If you have any ideas, feel tree to share them. Happy holidays,
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Dear Wolfgang, sorry I typed this too fast - I meant to take their words, "EU-based DNS internet infrastructure". I guess, it's the DNS that you can use to "be protected", as the company that's been chosen by the powers that be to implement it seems to offer in their products. - uses AI - tick the box - state of the art - tick the box - real time threat coverage - tick the box - it can boost your revenues - tick the box - it's European - tick the box twice Historically, part of Europe was "protected" for many years after WW2. No doubt you'll feel safer if you are protected by DNS4EU ? So will it be mandatory or just a waste of public resources? Kindest regards, Olivier On 23/12/2022 18:12, Wolfgang Kleinwächter wrote:
Can somebody deine what a "European DNS " is? Wolfgang
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> hat am 23.12.2022 17:28 CET geschrieben: This announcement was recently made by the European Commission:
The European Commission plans to onboard 100 million people to a new EU-based DNS internet infrastructure. The DNS4EU will be developed by international consortium led by Czech company Whalebone.
https://www.whalebone.io/post/press-release-dns4eu
It's unclear how that will affect the European DNS. If you have any ideas, feel tree to share them. Happy holidays,
Olivier _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Olivier, Mainly in light of the EU proposal, the idea was put forward during the community plenary at RIPE 85 to form a Task Force to document best practices about how to run a public DNS resolver. The task force is a joint initiative between the RIPE DNS working group and the RIPE cooperation working group. You can find the draft charter on the RIPE website: https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/tf/dns-resolver-best-common-practice-t... Julf (in the role of RIPE cooperation WG co-chair) On 23/12/2022 17:28, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via EURO-Discuss wrote:
This announcement was recently made by the European Commission:
The European Commission plans to onboard 100 million people to a new EU-based DNS internet infrastructure. The DNS4EU will be developed by international consortium led by Czech company Whalebone.
https://www.whalebone.io/post/press-release-dns4eu
It's unclear how that will affect the European DNS. If you have any ideas, feel tree to share them. Happy holidays,
Olivier
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Dear Julf, thanks for pointing this initiative out, which I find very helpful indeed. The concerns raised in RIPE are concerns I share. Best wishes, Olivier On 25/12/2022 18:21, Johan Helsingius via EURO-Discuss wrote:
Olivier,
Mainly in light of the EU proposal, the idea was put forward during the community plenary at RIPE 85 to form a Task Force to document best practices about how to run a public DNS resolver. The task force is a joint initiative between the RIPE DNS working group and the RIPE cooperation working group.
You can find the draft charter on the RIPE website:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/tf/dns-resolver-best-common-practice-t...
Julf (in the role of RIPE cooperation WG co-chair)
On 23/12/2022 17:28, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via EURO-Discuss wrote:
This announcement was recently made by the European Commission:
The European Commission plans to onboard 100 million people to a new EU-based DNS internet infrastructure. The DNS4EU will be developed by international consortium led by Czech company Whalebone.
https://www.whalebone.io/post/press-release-dns4eu
It's unclear how that will affect the European DNS. If you have any ideas, feel tree to share them. Happy holidays,
Olivier
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Wolfgang Kleinwächter