Re: [EURO-Discuss] [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws

Nov. 29, 2006

      Depends upon what you meant by the line: did you mean that I was
altering the text, as I mentioned? If so, that's how I remember it and
I did already make that change. That's the only clarifying I remember
that I was to do.

Nick

On 29/11/06, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch@humanistische-union.de> wrote:
...
Hi Nick:
I rephrased the sentence concerning the criteria for the place of
incorporation.
Did I get you right, you are objecting to the sentence
"Will clarify his suggestion: role and relationship of GA and standing
committee"?
I will delete this sentence if that is the case.
Christoph
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Von: euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im
Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. November 2006 23:10
An: EURALO Mailing-List; euro-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Betreff: Re: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
Just a couple of points:
On place of incorporation, I didn't suggest those two criteria, those
were the criteria which were decided upon in Berlin (minor point but I
thought I'd mention it).
With respect to the General Assembly: I don't believe I was to clarify
the role with respect to the Standing Committee, except for the
one-word change which was suggested (which is on the Wiki). Perhaps
that's what you meant Christophe :)
On 28/11/06, bruch <bruch@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
...
Dear All,
please find attached my notes from the Athens meeting.
I marked them as draft in case any of the participants has additions or
corrections.
Best
Christoph
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Dr. Christoph Bruch
Neue Christstr. 6
14059 Berlin
Tel./Fax: +49 (0)30 - 3210 3282
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Von: euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im
Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. November 2006 16:28
An: EURALO Mailing-List
Cc: philippe@epistrophe.fr
Betreff: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
Hello everyone!
I'm sorry it has taken this long to get back to you after the IGF Meeting,
but we are in the throes of preparing for the Sao Paulo meeting which is
consuming pretty much everyone in any way connected with it. You will at
some point be receiving further notes from this meeting courtesy of
Christophe Bruch.
I have updated the Wiki - removing more bot spam - and including the
amendments which were discussed and agreed by the participants in the EU
ALS
Meeting at the Internet Governance Forum. Of course anyone is completely
within their rights to put forward a contrary view.
What was suggested at that meeting, to make it easier to see changes
proposed in these last stages of editing the text, is that new text would
be
in BOLD, and deleted text would be in brackets and ITALICISED.
Accordingly you will find that there are a few bold provisions now - and
there are details in the annotated discussion page showing the history of
revisions.
As you'll see below, we are technically at the end of the period for
proposing further edits to the text. However, I have been to busy to do
all
of the work associated with the various stages. The Sao Paulo meeting is
in
10 days and I know several of us will be fully engaged in preparing to go
to
it.
May I suggest the following:
1) The two week period for putting forward additional provisions is
continued through the 10th December.
2) At that point, I will send out the summaries as provided below for the
week of the 20th - 26th November, and the following week we will proceed
as
if it was the period from 27th November to 3 December.
This will still allow us to (hopefully) conclude the Bylaws by the end of
the year.
Naturally any thoughts that anyone has are most welcomed!
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nashton@spamcop.net>
        Date: 1 November 2006 17:52:41 GMT
        To: "EURALO Mailing-List" <euralo-ml@euralo.eu>
        Subject: Procedure for Completing Work on the Bylaws
Good evening all:
As a number of you have noted, there is a necessity for additional
        time to be inserted in the procedure that was proposed (and which
no
        objections were raised about). After talking with Annette,
Roberto,
        and others, we propose that the first stage would insert an
additional
        two weeks into the phase which was to conclude this Monday.
This, then, would be the timeline, which of course will be
discussed
tomorrow:
PERIOD THROUGH 19th NOVEMBER
During this period:
1)      Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they:
        a.      OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the
objection,
and
        propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for
direct
        inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the
objection;
        b.      WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the
change –
        send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and
the
        reasons for proposing the addition..
        c.      WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly
whether
        it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment.
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE
WILL
        BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to
        change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note
and
        ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted.
As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the
        Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the
email
        in which the proposal was made.
Nick will send a reminder email at the beginning of the week of
the
        13th November, reminding everyone that one week remains to make
the
        comments requested above. He will place a call to each ALS
        representative during the course of the week to make sure they
        understand the process, and to offer any assistance in drafting
that
        may be required if they have an issue.  He will also ask if any
ALS
is
        happy to let the others decide on the remaining issues; where an
ALS
        states that is the case, Nick will tell them that they need to
make
        that clear by a posting to the list. Of course, any ALS may change
        their mind about this at any point; we just want everyone to know
that
        none of the ALSes have somehow missed out on what is going on.
WEEK OF 20-26 NOVEMBER
At the beginning of the week, Nick will send out:
1)      An email with all sections for which no comments have been
        received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The
email
        will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if
no
        objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for
        which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be
presumed
        to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments.
        2)      An individual email for each section where there are
multiple
        options, or where amendments have been suggested, with
instructions
at
        the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the
week:
1)      If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw
        attention to them;
        2)      Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw
attention
        to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of
        acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred,
and
        the last option chosen being least preferred.
        3)      If any options are substantially the same (or have the
same
        effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one
        option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on
the
        table".
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element.
SILENCE
        WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to
again
        make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for
responding,
        or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any
issues
to
        raise otherwise.
As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in,
Nick
        will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the
date
        and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
WEEK OF 27 NOVEMBER - 3 DECEMBER
At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of
        comments/objections received in the previous week on the various
        individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were
        selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most
acceptable
        will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent
        out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week
and
        covering the same areas of the text
1)      Where a given section was sent out the previous week with
no
        comments received or objections raised, if no objections were
made,
        that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for
amendments.
        2)      Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if
no
        objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be
        assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments.
        3)      Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary
of
the
        comments received will be provided. The group will then have to
decide
        on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of
disagreement.
The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of
the
        whole text, to allow reading of it there.
ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is
proposed
        not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the
interest
of
        finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a
positive
        vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very
        complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a
        consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want
        everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's
point
of
        view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will
        telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody
has
        accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes
can
        be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the
bylaws.
----
        The following was the procedure as originally proposed. It is
        reproduced here so that everyone can see the variations between
what
        is above, which are minor, and the original:
WEEK OF 9-15 OCTOBER
Nick will edit the text on the Wiki so that the source of all
changes
        from the text as at the end of the Berlin Meeting on 17th
September
        are clearly documented. This will include showing the proposer of
the
        change, the date and subject line of the email in which the change
is
        discussed, so that it is easier and more transparent process-wise
for
        everyone to understand the evolution of the document, especially
with
        the rapid development of the last two weeks.
Once this is done, he will
1) Announce that the changes just mentioned have been made, and in
        that announcement also send out the following documents:
1)      The text as at the end of the 17th September meeting, in
Microsoft
        Word, with the changes necessary to correct English grammar and
style
        errors shown as redlined additions and deletions from the text;
        2)      The same text, with all the necessary English revisions
approved,
        so that it is easy to read the output.
The email will also let people know that in the coming week:
1)      Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they:
        a.      OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the
objection,
and
        propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for
direct
        inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the
objection;
        b.      WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the
change –
        send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and
the
        reasons for proposing the addition..
        c.      WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly
whether
        it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment.
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE
WILL
        BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to
        change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note
and
        ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted.
As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the
        Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the
email
        in which the proposal was made.
WEEK OF 16-22 OCTOBER
Nick will send a reminder email to everyone to ask him or her to
make
        the comments as requested immediately above during the course of
the
        week.  He will then place a call to each ALS representative during
the
        course of the week to make sure they understand the process, and
to
        offer any assistance in drafting that may be required if they have
an
        issue.  He will also ask if any ALS is happy to let the others
decide
        on the remaining issues; where an ALS states that is the case,
Nick
        will tell them that they need to make that clear by a posting to
the
        list. Of course, any ALS may change their mind about this at any
        point; we just want everyone to know that none of the ALSes have
        somehow missed out on what is going on.
At the end of the week, Nick will send out:
1)      An email with all sections for which no comments have been
        received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The
email
        will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if
no
        objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for
        which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be
presumed
        to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments.
        2)      An individual email for each section where there are
multiple
        options, or where amendments have been suggested, with
instructions
at
        the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the
week:
1)      If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw
        attention to them;
        2)      Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw
attention
        to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of
        acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred,
and
        the last option chosen being least preferred.
        3)      If any options are substantially the same (or have the
same
        effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one
        option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on
the
        table".
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element.
SILENCE
        WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to
again
        make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for
responding,
        or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any
issues
to
        raise otherwise.
As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in,
Nick
        will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the
date
        and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
WEEK OF 23-29 OCTOBER
At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of
        comments/objections received in the previous week on the various
        individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were
        selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most
acceptable
        will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent
        out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week
and
        covering the same areas of the text
1)      Where a given section was sent out the previous week with
no
        comments received or objections raised, if no objections were
made,
        that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for
amendments.
        2)      Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if
no
        objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be
        assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments.
        3)      Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary
of
the
        comments received will be provided. The group will then have to
decide
        on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of
disagreement.
The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of
the
        whole text, to allow reading of it there.
ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is
proposed
        not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the
interest
of
        finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a
positive
        vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very
        complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a
        consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want
        everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's
point
of
        view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will
        telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody
has
        accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes
can
        be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the
bylaws.
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        PO Box 32160
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FESTIVE GREETINGS! As per usual, in lieu of cards for friends and
colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans
Frontieres, to help them provide medical care to those much less
fortunate than ourselves.

Nick Ashton-Hart

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