Depends upon what you meant by the line: did you mean that I was altering the text, as I mentioned? If so, that's how I remember it and I did already make that change. That's the only clarifying I remember that I was to do. Nick On 29/11/06, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch@humanistische-union.de> wrote:
Hi Nick:
I rephrased the sentence concerning the criteria for the place of incorporation.
Did I get you right, you are objecting to the sentence "Will clarify his suggestion: role and relationship of GA and standing committee"?
I will delete this sentence if that is the case.
Christoph
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. November 2006 23:10 An: EURALO Mailing-List; euro-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org Betreff: Re: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
Just a couple of points:
On place of incorporation, I didn't suggest those two criteria, those were the criteria which were decided upon in Berlin (minor point but I thought I'd mention it).
With respect to the General Assembly: I don't believe I was to clarify the role with respect to the Standing Committee, except for the one-word change which was suggested (which is on the Wiki). Perhaps that's what you meant Christophe :)
On 28/11/06, bruch <bruch@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
Dear All,
please find attached my notes from the Athens meeting.
I marked them as draft in case any of the participants has additions or corrections.
Best
Christoph
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart Gesendet: Samstag, 18. November 2006 16:28 An: EURALO Mailing-List Cc: philippe@epistrophe.fr Betreff: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
Hello everyone!
I'm sorry it has taken this long to get back to you after the IGF Meeting, but we are in the throes of preparing for the Sao Paulo meeting which is consuming pretty much everyone in any way connected with it. You will at some point be receiving further notes from this meeting courtesy of Christophe Bruch.
I have updated the Wiki - removing more bot spam - and including the amendments which were discussed and agreed by the participants in the EU ALS Meeting at the Internet Governance Forum. Of course anyone is completely within their rights to put forward a contrary view.
What was suggested at that meeting, to make it easier to see changes proposed in these last stages of editing the text, is that new text would be in BOLD, and deleted text would be in brackets and ITALICISED.
Accordingly you will find that there are a few bold provisions now - and there are details in the annotated discussion page showing the history of revisions.
As you'll see below, we are technically at the end of the period for proposing further edits to the text. However, I have been to busy to do all of the work associated with the various stages. The Sao Paulo meeting is in 10 days and I know several of us will be fully engaged in preparing to go to it.
May I suggest the following:
1) The two week period for putting forward additional provisions is continued through the 10th December.
2) At that point, I will send out the summaries as provided below for the week of the 20th - 26th November, and the following week we will proceed as if it was the period from 27th November to 3 December.
This will still allow us to (hopefully) conclude the Bylaws by the end of the year.
Naturally any thoughts that anyone has are most welcomed!
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nashton@spamcop.net> Date: 1 November 2006 17:52:41 GMT To: "EURALO Mailing-List" <euralo-ml@euralo.eu> Subject: Procedure for Completing Work on the Bylaws
Good evening all:
As a number of you have noted, there is a necessity for additional time to be inserted in the procedure that was proposed (and which no objections were raised about). After talking with Annette, Roberto, and others, we propose that the first stage would insert an additional two weeks into the phase which was to conclude this Monday.
This, then, would be the timeline, which of course will be discussed tomorrow:
PERIOD THROUGH 19th NOVEMBER
During this period:
1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they: a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the objection, and propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for direct inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the objection; b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the change – send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and the reasons for proposing the addition.. c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly whether it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment.
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note and ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted.
As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
Nick will send a reminder email at the beginning of the week of the 13th November, reminding everyone that one week remains to make the comments requested above. He will place a call to each ALS representative during the course of the week to make sure they understand the process, and to offer any assistance in drafting that may be required if they have an issue. He will also ask if any ALS is happy to let the others decide on the remaining issues; where an ALS states that is the case, Nick will tell them that they need to make that clear by a posting to the list. Of course, any ALS may change their mind about this at any point; we just want everyone to know that none of the ALSes have somehow missed out on what is going on.
WEEK OF 20-26 NOVEMBER
At the beginning of the week, Nick will send out:
1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The email will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if no objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be presumed to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments. 2) An individual email for each section where there are multiple options, or where amendments have been suggested, with instructions at the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the week:
1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw attention to them; 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw attention to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred, and the last option chosen being least preferred. 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the same effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on the table".
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to again make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for responding, or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any issues to raise otherwise.
As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
WEEK OF 27 NOVEMBER - 3 DECEMBER
At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of comments/objections received in the previous week on the various individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most acceptable will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week and covering the same areas of the text
1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with no comments received or objections raised, if no objections were made, that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for amendments. 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if no objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments. 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary of the comments received will be provided. The group will then have to decide on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of disagreement.
The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of the whole text, to allow reading of it there.
ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is proposed not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the interest of finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a positive vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's point of view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody has accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes can be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the bylaws.
---- The following was the procedure as originally proposed. It is reproduced here so that everyone can see the variations between what is above, which are minor, and the original:
WEEK OF 9-15 OCTOBER
Nick will edit the text on the Wiki so that the source of all changes from the text as at the end of the Berlin Meeting on 17th September are clearly documented. This will include showing the proposer of the change, the date and subject line of the email in which the change is discussed, so that it is easier and more transparent process-wise for everyone to understand the evolution of the document, especially with the rapid development of the last two weeks.
Once this is done, he will
1) Announce that the changes just mentioned have been made, and in that announcement also send out the following documents:
1) The text as at the end of the 17th September meeting, in Microsoft Word, with the changes necessary to correct English grammar and style errors shown as redlined additions and deletions from the text; 2) The same text, with all the necessary English revisions approved, so that it is easy to read the output.
The email will also let people know that in the coming week:
1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they: a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the objection, and propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for direct inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the objection; b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the change – send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and the reasons for proposing the addition.. c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly whether it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment.
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note and ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted.
As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
WEEK OF 16-22 OCTOBER
Nick will send a reminder email to everyone to ask him or her to make the comments as requested immediately above during the course of the week. He will then place a call to each ALS representative during the course of the week to make sure they understand the process, and to offer any assistance in drafting that may be required if they have an issue. He will also ask if any ALS is happy to let the others decide on the remaining issues; where an ALS states that is the case, Nick will tell them that they need to make that clear by a posting to the list. Of course, any ALS may change their mind about this at any point; we just want everyone to know that none of the ALSes have somehow missed out on what is going on.
At the end of the week, Nick will send out:
1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The email will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if no objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be presumed to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments. 2) An individual email for each section where there are multiple options, or where amendments have been suggested, with instructions at the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the week:
1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw attention to them; 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw attention to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred, and the last option chosen being least preferred. 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the same effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on the table".
NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to again make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for responding, or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any issues to raise otherwise.
As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
WEEK OF 23-29 OCTOBER
At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of comments/objections received in the previous week on the various individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most acceptable will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week and covering the same areas of the text
1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with no comments received or objections raised, if no objections were made, that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for amendments. 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if no objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments. 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary of the comments received will be provided. The group will then have to decide on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of disagreement.
The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of the whole text, to allow reading of it there.
ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is proposed not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the interest of finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a positive vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's point of view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody has accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes can be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the bylaws.
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