All, as nominations start to come, personally I would try to see whether we can agree on a good mix of people that can make everyone happy and confident in the process. For what regards the EURALO Board, I would recommend that the people who were most active in the discussions in the last year volunteer to be part of it. I would like to have one person per each macro-region of Europe (Northern, Western, Central, Southern and Eastern) plus, for regions that have been very active such as Germany and Benelux, perhaps one more, so to have a Board of 6-7 members. Also for ALAC members, I think that a good complement to Annette would be someone from Northern/Western Europe and someone from Eastern Europe, possibly of different gender. Southern Europe has already been well represented in the At Large, so I think that we should pass the turn. What would you think of this? Thanks, P.S. For what regards myself, as I repeatedly said, I do not want to continue as an ALAC member, not because I wouldn't like to continue, but because I think that after four years it's time that new people have a chance to serve. On the other hand, I'd be happy to serve in the EURALO Board if this is considered useful - I have been trying to work for compromise and practical advances on the hot issues such as individual membership and incorporation, and I hope that I could continue to do so and help the process. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hi, I am not sure whether I am supposed to speak up on these matters since I have no voting right to begin with. In any case, I'd like to say that I really disagree with the approach proposed below. Forming slates might be an ok method when people are in basic agreement or when they at least agree on what they disagree about. This list has shown so much disagreement that, in addition to regional variation, the different opinions should really be represented on the board. I think elections are the best and most democratic way to achieve this goal. jeanette Vittorio Bertola wrote:
All,
as nominations start to come, personally I would try to see whether we can agree on a good mix of people that can make everyone happy and confident in the process.
For what regards the EURALO Board, I would recommend that the people who were most active in the discussions in the last year volunteer to be part of it. I would like to have one person per each macro-region of Europe (Northern, Western, Central, Southern and Eastern) plus, for regions that have been very active such as Germany and Benelux, perhaps one more, so to have a Board of 6-7 members.
Also for ALAC members, I think that a good complement to Annette would be someone from Northern/Western Europe and someone from Eastern Europe, possibly of different gender. Southern Europe has already been well represented in the At Large, so I think that we should pass the turn.
What would you think of this?
Thanks,
P.S. For what regards myself, as I repeatedly said, I do not want to continue as an ALAC member, not because I wouldn't like to continue, but because I think that after four years it's time that new people have a chance to serve. On the other hand, I'd be happy to serve in the EURALO Board if this is considered useful - I have been trying to work for compromise and practical advances on the hot issues such as individual membership and incorporation, and I hope that I could continue to do so and help the process.
Dear All: please excuse my long silence since the Lisbon Meeting. I have been offline until yesterday after moving from Berlin to Munich to start a new job. The heated discussion on this list illustrates the difficulties to reach agreement on the MoU and the EURALO bylaws. We therefore should be cereful when reopening discussions. Equally it is of great importance for EURALO that we organize decision-making processes in a way that prevents exclusion of members who cannot participate in physical meetings. Especially the decision on the timetable for nomination and election for the EURALO board and the ALAC seats which are to be filled via EURALO have been taken by very few people. Therefore I ask so some flexibility concerning this issue. According to my understanding no decision has been reached on whether/how the timetable should be changed. At least no decision was announced. For that purpose we may need some sort of chairperson or moderator. I would appreciate I we could agree that Annette again takes this position provided she is willing. Also I ask all to keep in mind that EURALO is a rapidly changing organization. New people attended all meetings since Frankfurt. This will probably lead to a constant change of majorities for issues on which we do not have general consensus. The veterans of the process have to arrange with this. Christoph ____________________________________________ Dr. Christoph Bruch German Civil Liberties Union/Humanistische Union Neue Christstr. 6 Greifswalder Str. 4 14059 Berlin 10405 Berlin 030 - 32 10 32 82 030 - 20 45 02 56 Fax: 030 - 20 45 02 57 info@humanistische-union.de www.humanistische-union.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Jeanette Hofmann Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2007 22:43 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations Hi, I am not sure whether I am supposed to speak up on these matters since I have no voting right to begin with. In any case, I'd like to say that I really disagree with the approach proposed below. Forming slates might be an ok method when people are in basic agreement or when they at least agree on what they disagree about. This list has shown so much disagreement that, in addition to regional variation, the different opinions should really be represented on the board. I think elections are the best and most democratic way to achieve this goal. jeanette Vittorio Bertola wrote:
All,
as nominations start to come, personally I would try to see whether we can agree on a good mix of people that can make everyone happy and confident in the process.
For what regards the EURALO Board, I would recommend that the people who were most active in the discussions in the last year volunteer to be part of it. I would like to have one person per each macro-region of Europe (Northern, Western, Central, Southern and Eastern) plus, for regions that have been very active such as Germany and Benelux, perhaps one more, so to have a Board of 6-7 members.
Also for ALAC members, I think that a good complement to Annette would be someone from Northern/Western Europe and someone from Eastern Europe, possibly of different gender. Southern Europe has already been well represented in the At Large, so I think that we should pass the turn.
What would you think of this?
Thanks,
P.S. For what regards myself, as I repeatedly said, I do not want to continue as an ALAC member, not because I wouldn't like to continue, but because I think that after four years it's time that new people have a chance to serve. On the other hand, I'd be happy to serve in the EURALO Board if this is considered useful - I have been trying to work for compromise and practical advances on the hot issues such as individual membership and incorporation, and I hope that I could continue to do so and help the process.
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Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:
Hi, I am not sure whether I am supposed to speak up on these matters since I have no voting right to begin with. In any case, I'd like to say that I really disagree with the approach proposed below. Forming slates might be an ok method when people are in basic agreement or when they at least agree on what they disagree about. This list has shown so much disagreement that, in addition to regional variation, the different opinions should really be represented on the board. I think elections are the best and most democratic way to achieve this goal.
Of course we will vote if we cannot reach agreement. However, elections always are a "traumatic" event, with winners and losers; exactly because there has been so much disagreement, I would hope that more sooner than later we can start working by consensus instead than by challenging each other, and by looking for more opportunities to compete. I'm sure that regional diversity would not be the only principle - we could ensure that the Board includes both people who are in favour of individual membership, and people who are against (the matter, anyway, will finally go to the GA for decision, the Board should only prepare the discussion). All in all, the question is whether we are able to agree among ourselves on a reasonable leadership in this startup phase - otherwise, we'll resort to voting. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Just back from the hospital I am struggling through 879 e-mails. I fully support Vittiorio´s approach. I have already contacted a number of potential candidates and will propose names later this week. Just for calrification: Each candidate needs somebody to second? And can people be candidates both for ALAC and EURALO board? Best regards wolfgang ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Vittorio Bertola Gesendet: Mi 11.04.2007 11:07 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations All, as nominations start to come, personally I would try to see whether we can agree on a good mix of people that can make everyone happy and confident in the process. For what regards the EURALO Board, I would recommend that the people who were most active in the discussions in the last year volunteer to be part of it. I would like to have one person per each macro-region of Europe (Northern, Western, Central, Southern and Eastern) plus, for regions that have been very active such as Germany and Benelux, perhaps one more, so to have a Board of 6-7 members. Also for ALAC members, I think that a good complement to Annette would be someone from Northern/Western Europe and someone from Eastern Europe, possibly of different gender. Southern Europe has already been well represented in the At Large, so I think that we should pass the turn. What would you think of this? Thanks, P.S. For what regards myself, as I repeatedly said, I do not want to continue as an ALAC member, not because I wouldn't like to continue, but because I think that after four years it's time that new people have a chance to serve. On the other hand, I'd be happy to serve in the EURALO Board if this is considered useful - I have been trying to work for compromise and practical advances on the hot issues such as individual membership and incorporation, and I hope that I could continue to do so and help the process. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i...
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Just back from the hospital I am struggling through 879 e-mails. I fully support Vittiorio´s approach. I have already contacted a number of potential candidates and will propose names later this week. Just for calrification: Each candidate needs somebody to second?
No, even self-nominations are fine.
And can people be candidates both for ALAC and EURALO board?
Yes. Until now, if I've not missed anything, this is the situation: Patrick Vande Walle -> ALAC (self-nomination) (accepted) Sebastien Bachollet -> ALAC (by Dessi) (?) Rudi Vansnick -> EURALO Board (self-nomination) (accepted) Vittorio Bertola -> EURALO Board (self-nomination) (accepted) Wolfgang Kleinwaechter -> EURALO Board (by Vittorio) (rejected) Personally, if I might throw some more names in, I'd like to nominate Christoph Bruch to the EURALO Board, if he feels like serving there. However, if the German ALSes want to have a discussion among themselves on a German person for the Board, that would be fine as well. Perhaps there could be two people from Germany, given how many German-speaking ALSes there are. Also, we need people from Eastern Europe, so I'd like to nominate Dessi Pefeva for either the ALAC or the EURALO Board, if she likes the idea. Finally, I'm wondering about other parts of Europe, for example Spain/Portugal and Scandinavia/Finland. It would be good to have people from there in the EURALO Board, and I don't know whether those who were present in Lisbon would be willing to serve. Please let's start getting more names on the table - we need more nominations! -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
I agree with Vittorio on all items. Moreover, if we don't start proposing names, we will be always late and in need for more time. We should really have the officers seated enough in advance of Puerto Rico to allow for travel preparation. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Vittorio Bertola Sent: 15 April 2007 23:11 To: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Just back from the hospital I am struggling through 879 e-mails. I fully support Vittiorio´s approach. I have already contacted a number of potential candidates and will propose names later this week. Just for calrification: Each candidate needs somebody to second?
No, even self-nominations are fine.
And can people be candidates both for ALAC and EURALO board?
Yes.
Until now, if I've not missed anything, this is the situation:
Patrick Vande Walle -> ALAC (self-nomination) (accepted) Sebastien Bachollet -> ALAC (by Dessi) (?)
Rudi Vansnick -> EURALO Board (self-nomination) (accepted) Vittorio Bertola -> EURALO Board (self-nomination) (accepted) Wolfgang Kleinwaechter -> EURALO Board (by Vittorio) (rejected)
Personally, if I might throw some more names in, I'd like to nominate Christoph Bruch to the EURALO Board, if he feels like serving there. However, if the German ALSes want to have a discussion among themselves on a German person for the Board, that would be fine as well. Perhaps there could be two people from Germany, given how many German-speaking ALSes there are.
Also, we need people from Eastern Europe, so I'd like to nominate Dessi Pefeva for either the ALAC or the EURALO Board, if she likes the idea.
Finally, I'm wondering about other parts of Europe, for example Spain/Portugal and Scandinavia/Finland. It would be good to have people from there in the EURALO Board, and I don't know whether those who were present in Lisbon would be willing to serve.
Please let's start getting more names on the table - we need more nominations! -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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I have talked to Veronica Cretu from Moldova and she accepted my proposal for a nominattion for the ALAC. I know her from the Diplo Foundation. She gave also a paper at the ICANN Studienkreis meeting in Prague, September 2006 (which was very good) and she is preparing the homework for an application of her institution as an ALS. Veronica was also at the IGF in Athens. Wolfgang What about our Finish friends? I would like to see a candidate for the EURALO Board from the North? I talked to Rikke Joergensen (Danish Institute für human Rights and very active in WSIS) but unfortunately she is busy with her dissertation. Probably a good candidate for 2008. More proposals will come until the end of the week. ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Vittorio Bertola Gesendet: So 15.04.2007 23:10 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
Just back from the hospital I am struggling through 879 e-mails. I fully support Vittiorio´s approach. I have already contacted a number of potential candidates and will propose names later this week. Just for calrification: Each candidate needs somebody to second?
No, even self-nominations are fine.
And can people be candidates both for ALAC and EURALO board?
Yes. Until now, if I've not missed anything, this is the situation: Patrick Vande Walle -> ALAC (self-nomination) (accepted) Sebastien Bachollet -> ALAC (by Dessi) (?) Rudi Vansnick -> EURALO Board (self-nomination) (accepted) Vittorio Bertola -> EURALO Board (self-nomination) (accepted) Wolfgang Kleinwaechter -> EURALO Board (by Vittorio) (rejected) Personally, if I might throw some more names in, I'd like to nominate Christoph Bruch to the EURALO Board, if he feels like serving there. However, if the German ALSes want to have a discussion among themselves on a German person for the Board, that would be fine as well. Perhaps there could be two people from Germany, given how many German-speaking ALSes there are. Also, we need people from Eastern Europe, so I'd like to nominate Dessi Pefeva for either the ALAC or the EURALO Board, if she likes the idea. Finally, I'm wondering about other parts of Europe, for example Spain/Portugal and Scandinavia/Finland. It would be good to have people from there in the EURALO Board, and I don't know whether those who were present in Lisbon would be willing to serve. Please let's start getting more names on the table - we need more nominations! -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i...
Dear list I nominate as candidates for the EURALO Board the following individuals Desiree Milosovic Bill Drake Christoph Bruch Jeanette Hofmann All four individuals are well know members of the Internet Community, since years involved in ICANN and IG issues in WSIS representing different institutions close to civil society and Internet user organisations. Wolfgang
Hi, thank you, Wolfgang, for nominating me. I needed to think about the nomination for a while, since, as some of you know, I have always been very much against a regionally structured at large membership. Moreover, I have always argued for an at large membership based mainly on individual instead of organizational participation. Yet, I accept the nomination for a board seat despite the fact that I oppose ALAC's/ EURALO's structure. There is just one reason why I run for a board seat of EURALO. I want ICANN's at large membership to become a home for meaningful and direct, that is unfiltered and non-hierarchical participation by individuals. For those of you who don't know me: I got involved with ICANN in summer 2000 during the at large elections. On behalf of ALAC I served twice on the NomCom. During WSIS I co-chaired, together with Adam Peake, for two years the Internet Governance Caucus. Right now, I am a member of the advisory group that helps preparing the Internet Governance Forum. As a daytime job, I work as a researcher with a public academic institute in Berlin, Germany. Best, Jeanette Kleinwächter wrote:
Dear list
I nominate as candidates for the EURALO Board the following individuals
Desiree Milosovic Bill Drake Christoph Bruch Jeanette Hofmann
All four individuals are well know members of the Internet Community, since years involved in ICANN and IG issues in WSIS representing different institutions close to civil society and Internet user organisations.
Wolfgang
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