Decertification of EURALO ALSes
Hello, this is just to inform you that I have sent a last notification to four of our member ALSes that didn’t respond to anything over years and were considered as “dead ducks”: - KEPKA, Greece - CLUSIT, Italy - Ynternet.org, Switzerland and - Terre des femmes, Germany (for the last two the message had permanent failures and couldn’t be delivered, as we had no valid contact addresses). For further details see: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Former+At-Large+Structures+Works... As none of them responded until the deadline of 31 May 2014 midnight, we will ask ALAC now to start with their decertification immediately. Best regards, Wolf EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Am 01.06.2014 03:41, schrieb Wolf Ludwig:
Terre des femmes, Germany
I think, it should be possible to reach the office at: <info@frauenrechte.de> "TERRE DES FEMMES e. V. Brunnenstr. 128 13355 Berlin Telefon: +49 (0)30 40504699-0 Telefax: +49 (0)30 40504699-99 E-Mail: info@frauenrechte.de" Perhaps there are also office adresses for the others ALSes. Kind regards, Werner - -- Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann - - Mitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. - - - Anerkannter Datenschutzsachverständiger* - Expert for legal and technical evaluations for the European Privacy Seal (EuroPriSe)** * Münchner Str. 101 - Gebäude 1 / 1. OG - D-85737 Ismaning Tel.: 089 / 61 51 54 40, FAX: 089 / 51 30 56 98 Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de *) "Beim Unabhängigen Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein anerkannter Sachverständiger für IT-Produkte (rechtlich und technisch)" sowie Mitglied der Deutschen Sachverständigen-Gesellschaft **) <http://www.european-privacy-seal.eu/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTiwE+AAoJEGF1IJWIbX7aK2IH/0bNmZKx4WbK5pxWQUPj1oPM pTb0k1M0LzuLh6GJ52QAJe25v3zSA8ZvK7k1EHnV59Xloaqcc1eGpn0ZJfgjyDjk nbadTILLAcDRDDZ8u9mqYgxUMkAKV0FD8+TAKvEmv+xTk0Acb6gKZzwmmytHSZAy JZw2ldHEcmiKKFgHGHVLtzhUaoOTrWq0SuVYLHwhTITEkJC1Ef/VLq1yD9JevrgF BSszZaN2PaC0V8bBVQd5Kw/PilrEICxsbJ4QwGEZ8kOjZJMLfchOchQrr6SIFZEv 8NUer21axhJ09MVpBwC1S4o1ujwpGOH/LR2aSbgUlPooidBUQyaCOcBXEM6Ems8= =ojDK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hello Werner, thanks for the hint. The point is: over the last years I spent lots of hours (of my volunteer's time BTW) to run behind such candidates and pushing them for GAs, regional consultations and the like. In 2011 (!) the previous contact point (Heike Jensen) got unsubscribed from the EURALO list without caring for a replacement or "hand over". And in the time between, Terre des femmes indicated NO interest for their involvement in EURALO what proofs a certain ignorance (same with KEPKA where we have a valid contact address but never any response). IMO - or according to minimal ALAC standards - members should assume some auto-responsibility and show some basic interest themselves, otherwise their involvement / membership is simply useless. Best regards, Wolf W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote Sun, 01 Jun 2014 12:32:
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Hello,
Am 01.06.2014 03:41, schrieb Wolf Ludwig:
Terre des femmes, Germany
I think, it should be possible to reach the office at: <info@frauenrechte.de>
"TERRE DES FEMMES e. V. Brunnenstr. 128 13355 Berlin
Telefon: +49 (0)30 40504699-0 Telefax: +49 (0)30 40504699-99
E-Mail: info@frauenrechte.de"
Perhaps there are also office adresses for the others ALSes.
Kind regards,
Werner
- --
Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann - - Mitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. - - - Anerkannter Datenschutzsachverständiger* - Expert for legal and technical evaluations for the European Privacy Seal (EuroPriSe)**
* Münchner Str. 101 - Gebäude 1 / 1. OG - D-85737 Ismaning Tel.: 089 / 61 51 54 40, FAX: 089 / 51 30 56 98 Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de
*) "Beim Unabhängigen Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein anerkannter Sachverständiger für IT-Produkte (rechtlich und technisch)" sowie Mitglied der Deutschen Sachverständigen-Gesellschaft **) <http://www.european-privacy-seal.eu/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
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I strongly support Wolf. I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Wolf Ludwig Inviato: domenica 1 giugno 2014 18:20 A: W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.); Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: At-Large Staff Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Decertification of EURALO ALSes
Hello Werner,
thanks for the hint. The point is: over the last years I spent lots of hours (of my volunteer's time BTW) to run behind such candidates and pushing them for GAs, regional consultations and the like. In 2011 (!) the previous contact point (Heike Jensen) got unsubscribed from the EURALO list without caring for a replacement or "hand over". And in the time between, Terre des femmes indicated NO interest for their involvement in EURALO what proofs a certain ignorance (same with KEPKA where we have a valid contact address but never any response).
IMO - or according to minimal ALAC standards - members should assume some auto-responsibility and show some basic interest themselves, otherwise their involvement / membership is simply useless.
Best regards, Wolf
W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote Sun, 01 Jun 2014 12:32:
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Hello,
Am 01.06.2014 03:41, schrieb Wolf Ludwig:
Terre des femmes, Germany
I think, it should be possible to reach the office at: <info@frauenrechte.de>
"TERRE DES FEMMES e. V. Brunnenstr. 128 13355 Berlin
Telefon: +49 (0)30 40504699-0 Telefax: +49 (0)30 40504699-99
E-Mail: info@frauenrechte.de"
Perhaps there are also office adresses for the others ALSes.
Kind regards,
Werner
- --
Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann - - Mitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. - - - Anerkannter Datenschutzsachverständiger* - Expert for legal and technical evaluations for the European Privacy Seal (EuroPriSe)**
* Münchner Str. 101 - Gebäude 1 / 1. OG - D-85737 Ismaning Tel.: 089 / 61 51 54 40, FAX: 089 / 51 30 56 98 Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de
*) "Beim Unabhängigen Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein anerkannter Sachverständiger für IT-Produkte (rechtlich und technisch)" sowie Mitglied der Deutschen Sachverständigen-Gesellschaft **) <http://www.european-privacy-seal.eu/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
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I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance. Bill On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf. I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Wolf Ludwig Inviato: domenica 1 giugno 2014 18:20 A: W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.); Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: At-Large Staff Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Decertification of EURALO ALSes
Hello Werner,
thanks for the hint. The point is: over the last years I spent lots of hours (of my volunteer's time BTW) to run behind such candidates and pushing them for GAs, regional consultations and the like. In 2011 (!) the previous contact point (Heike Jensen) got unsubscribed from the EURALO list without caring for a replacement or "hand over". And in the time between, Terre des femmes indicated NO interest for their involvement in EURALO what proofs a certain ignorance (same with KEPKA where we have a valid contact address but never any response).
IMO - or according to minimal ALAC standards - members should assume some auto-responsibility and show some basic interest themselves, otherwise their involvement / membership is simply useless.
Best regards, Wolf
W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote Sun, 01 Jun 2014 12:32:
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Hello,
Am 01.06.2014 03:41, schrieb Wolf Ludwig:
Terre des femmes, Germany
I think, it should be possible to reach the office at: <info@frauenrechte.de>
"TERRE DES FEMMES e. V. Brunnenstr. 128 13355 Berlin
Telefon: +49 (0)30 40504699-0 Telefax: +49 (0)30 40504699-99
E-Mail: info@frauenrechte.de"
Perhaps there are also office adresses for the others ALSes.
Kind regards,
Werner
- --
Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann - - Mitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. - - - Anerkannter Datenschutzsachverständiger* - Expert for legal and technical evaluations for the European Privacy Seal (EuroPriSe)**
* Münchner Str. 101 - Gebäude 1 / 1. OG - D-85737 Ismaning Tel.: 089 / 61 51 54 40, FAX: 089 / 51 30 56 98 Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de
*) "Beim Unabhängigen Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein anerkannter Sachverständiger für IT-Produkte (rechtlich und technisch)" sowie Mitglied der Deutschen Sachverständigen-Gesellschaft **) <http://www.european-privacy-seal.eu/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
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I'm not a member, so I can't really have an opinion .. But if I did, I'd support Wolf's stance -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 -----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:18 AM To: Roberto Gaetano Cc: Euralo; At-Large Staff Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] R: Decertification of EURALO ALSes I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf's stance. Bill On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf. I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Wolf Ludwig Inviato: domenica 1 giugno 2014 18:20 A: W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.); Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: At-Large Staff Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Decertification of EURALO ALSes
Hello Werner,
thanks for the hint. The point is: over the last years I spent lots of hours (of my volunteer's time BTW) to run behind such candidates and pushing them for GAs, regional consultations and the like. In 2011 (!) the previous contact point (Heike Jensen) got unsubscribed from the EURALO list without caring for a replacement or "hand over". And in the time between, Terre des femmes indicated NO interest for their involvement in EURALO what proofs a certain ignorance (same with KEPKA where we have a valid contact address but never any response).
IMO - or according to minimal ALAC standards - members should assume some auto-responsibility and show some basic interest themselves, otherwise their involvement / membership is simply useless.
Best regards, Wolf
W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote Sun, 01 Jun 2014 12:32:
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Hello,
Am 01.06.2014 03:41, schrieb Wolf Ludwig:
Terre des femmes, Germany
I think, it should be possible to reach the office at: <info@frauenrechte.de>
"TERRE DES FEMMES e. V. Brunnenstr. 128 13355 Berlin
Telefon: +49 (0)30 40504699-0 Telefax: +49 (0)30 40504699-99
E-Mail: info@frauenrechte.de"
Perhaps there are also office adresses for the others ALSes.
Kind regards,
Werner
- --
Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann - - Mitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. - - - Anerkannter Datenschutzsachverständiger* - Expert for legal and technical evaluations for the European Privacy Seal (EuroPriSe)**
* Münchner Str. 101 - Gebäude 1 / 1. OG - D-85737 Ismaning Tel.: 089 / 61 51 54 40, FAX: 089 / 51 30 56 98 Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de
*) "Beim Unabhängigen Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein anerkannter Sachverständiger für IT-Produkte (rechtlich und technisch)" sowie Mitglied der Deutschen Sachverständigen-Gesellschaft **) <http://www.european-privacy-seal.eu/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
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+1 After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards, Olivier On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
Bill
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf. I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Wolf Ludwig Inviato: domenica 1 giugno 2014 18:20 A: W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.); Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: At-Large Staff Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Decertification of EURALO ALSes
Hello Werner,
thanks for the hint. The point is: over the last years I spent lots of hours (of my volunteer's time BTW) to run behind such candidates and pushing them for GAs, regional consultations and the like. In 2011 (!) the previous contact point (Heike Jensen) got unsubscribed from the EURALO list without caring for a replacement or "hand over". And in the time between, Terre des femmes indicated NO interest for their involvement in EURALO what proofs a certain ignorance (same with KEPKA where we have a valid contact address but never any response).
IMO - or according to minimal ALAC standards - members should assume some auto-responsibility and show some basic interest themselves, otherwise their involvement / membership is simply useless.
Best regards, Wolf
W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote Sun, 01 Jun 2014 12:32: Hello,
Am 01.06.2014 03:41, schrieb Wolf Ludwig:
Terre des femmes, Germany
I think, it should be possible to reach the office at: <info@frauenrechte.de>
"TERRE DES FEMMES e. V. Brunnenstr. 128 13355 Berlin
Telefon: +49 (0)30 40504699-0 Telefax: +49 (0)30 40504699-99
E-Mail: info@frauenrechte.de"
Perhaps there are also office adresses for the others ALSes.
Kind regards,
Werner
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
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Olivier, I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
Bill
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf. I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
Dear Olivier, I completely share your vision! "The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard". Best regards, Oksana On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
Bill
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano
<roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf.
I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
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Dear Werner, Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person? Is it possible for you to contact them directly? Best regards, Oksana On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
Bill
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano
<roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf.
I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Oksana, I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them directly. But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard. Kind regards, Werner Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
Dear Werner,
Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
Bill
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano
<roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf.
I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
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Dear Werner, Thank you very much for your answer. I fully support your position - "in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard", and I did my best to initiate ANY discussion at least. Keep in touch, Best regards, Oksana On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:46 PM, "W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" < huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org> wrote:
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Dear Oksana,
I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them directly.
But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard.
Kind regards,
Werner
Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
Dear Werner,
Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
Bill
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano
<roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf. > I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run > after members who show little interest in participating: > he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of > the members who do participate, in order to get results > for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R. > > > _______________________________________________
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Hello, just for clarification: the problem of some not-responding ALSes didn't bump up just recently but was discussed over the last 3 years when these ALSes were listed and known as problem cases already! Anybody could have stepped in and help to push them -- what was repeatedly done by myself without any response over years. Don't tell me that anybody who WANTS "to be heard" is not getting a chance of being heard at EURALO. If you take the time and read the reasons specified to each candidate and case (see attached PDF - all done in my free time BTW), you will see that they got their chance "to be heard" and to respond to it. Best, Wolf EMP wrote Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:54:
Dear Werner,
Thank you very much for your answer. I fully support your position - "in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard", and I did my best to initiate ANY discussion at least.
Keep in touch, Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:46 PM, "W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" < huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Dear Oksana,
I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them directly.
But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard.
Kind regards,
Werner
Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
Dear Werner,
Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
> I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s > stance. > > Bill > > On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano > <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I strongly support Wolf. >> I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run >> after members who show little interest in participating: >> he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of >> the members who do participate, in order to get results >> for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R. >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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I know that I am not going to make friends with this message, but that's it, I am used to say what I think anyway. Let me remind a couple of commitments included in the application form that *all* ALSes have agreed upon and signed. * Does your Organisation commit to supporting its individual constituents'/membership's informed participation in ICANN? * If your Organisation is accredited, will it commit to participating actively in the Regional At-Large Organisation (RALO) for the region in which your Organisation is based? In my opinion, organizations that have given no sign of life for years have failed to maintain the commitment that they have willingly signed: to keep them in will be an insult to the many who have provided volounteer work and support to ALAC. I believe that we should even think about more stringent criteria to apply for being an ALS, and to keep accreditation over time. Maybe time has come to discuss this. Many organizations require members to pay fees, EURALO requires no fees but participation, it is clearly spelled out. Not to participate in EURALO is equivalent to not to pay membership fees to an organization. And this is normally a good reason for suspension of organizational membership, and, if not corrected, expulsion. Cheers, Roberto
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Wolf Ludwig Inviato: martedì 3 giugno 2014 18:11 A: EMP; W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] R: Decertification of EURALO ALSes
Hello,
just for clarification: the problem of some not-responding ALSes didn't bump up just recently but was discussed over the last 3 years when these ALSes were listed and known as problem cases already! Anybody could have stepped in and help to push them -- what was repeatedly done by myself without any response over years. Don't tell me that anybody who WANTS "to be heard" is not getting a chance of being heard at EURALO.
If you take the time and read the reasons specified to each candidate and case (see attached PDF - all done in my free time BTW), you will see that they got their chance "to be heard" and to respond to it.
Best, Wolf
EMP wrote Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:54:
Dear Werner,
Thank you very much for your answer. I fully support your position - "in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard", and I did my best to initiate ANY discussion at least.
Keep in touch, Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:46 PM, "W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" < huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org> wrote:
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Dear Oksana,
I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them directly.
But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard.
Kind regards,
Werner
Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
Dear Werner,
Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1 > > After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in > obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its > time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the > active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind > regards, > > Olivier > > On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote: > >> I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance. >> >> Bill >> >> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano >> > <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I strongly support Wolf. >>> I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after >>> members who show little interest in participating: >>> he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the >>> members who do participate, in order to get results for the >>> benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss
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Dear Werner, Oksana, Sorry I disagree. Wolf has been trying to contact them for a long time. And the first recommendation for decertification was sent in February 2014.
3- Terre des Femmes, Germany, certified in February 2006. Their previous representative, Heike Jensen, participated at our Paris GA in 2008, ATLAS I summit and GA 2009 in Mexico and some later consultations until autumn 2010. Afterwards Heike Jensen was unsubscribed from our mailing list and we have no more valid contact details.
It's been almost 4 years since the organization showed interest, been attempts to contact them over the years. We can't expect any volunteer to keep chasing silent members, there are too many, and Wolf in particular is already doing much more than we can expect. If they are interested they can get in touch, they did once before. Adam On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:46 PM, W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote:
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Dear Oksana,
I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them directly.
But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard.
Kind regards,
Werner
Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
Dear Werner,
Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
Bill
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano
<roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I strongly support Wolf. > I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run > after members who show little interest in participating: > he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of > the members who do participate, in order to get results > for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R. > > > _______________________________________________
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Dear Adam, Thank you very much for your letter, and extremely sorry for my stupidity( I am also trying to avoid answer some letters. Are you interested to hear why? Best regards, Oksana On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
Dear Werner, Oksana,
Sorry I disagree. Wolf has been trying to contact them for a long time. And the first recommendation for decertification was sent in February 2014.
3- Terre des Femmes, Germany, certified in February 2006. Their previous
representative, Heike Jensen, participated at our Paris GA in 2008, ATLAS I summit and GA 2009 in Mexico and some later consultations until autumn 2010. Afterwards Heike Jensen was unsubscribed from our mailing list and we have no more valid contact details.
It's been almost 4 years since the organization showed interest, been attempts to contact them over the years. We can't expect any volunteer to keep chasing silent members, there are too many, and Wolf in particular is already doing much more than we can expect.
If they are interested they can get in touch, they did once before.
Adam
On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:46 PM, W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote:
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Dear Oksana,
I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them directly.
But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard.
Kind regards,
Werner
Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
Dear Werner,
Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International < contact@againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
Olivier,
I completely share your vision and of course all my support to Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
+1
After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
> I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s > stance. > > Bill > > On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano > <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I strongly support Wolf. >> I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run >> after members who show little interest in participating: >> he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of >> the members who do participate, in order to get results >> for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R. >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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* Münchner Str. 101 - Gebäude 1 / 1. OG - D-85737 Ismaning Tel.: 089 / 61 51 54 40, FAX: 089 / 51 30 56 98 Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de
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+to Adam. The discussion about non active members was intensive inclusive and transparent within EURALO and ALAC. Wolf was the last to say decertification is the first choice - hoping to get a sign of activity, the other way round he even defended inactivity for a certain time over the years. But if we want to have a RALO which is operable we need no dead ducks. Best Sandra (Note: This message was send from my iPhone - I do apologise for any misspelling.)
Am 03.06.2014 um 14:16 schrieb EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org>:
Dear Adam,
Thank you very much for your letter, and extremely sorry for my stupidity(
I am also trying to avoid answer some letters. Are you interested to hear why?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
Dear Werner, Oksana,
Sorry I disagree. Wolf has been trying to contact them for a long time. And the first recommendation for decertification was sent in February 2014.
3- Terre des Femmes, Germany, certified in February 2006. Their previous
representative, Heike Jensen, participated at our Paris GA in 2008, ATLAS I summit and GA 2009 in Mexico and some later consultations until autumn 2010. Afterwards Heike Jensen was unsubscribed from our mailing list and we have no more valid contact details.
It's been almost 4 years since the organization showed interest, been attempts to contact them over the years. We can't expect any volunteer to keep chasing silent members, there are too many, and Wolf in particular is already doing much more than we can expect.
If they are interested they can get in touch, they did once before.
Adam
On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:46 PM, W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) wrote:
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Dear Oksana,
I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them directly.
But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard.
Kind regards,
Werner
Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
Dear Werner,
Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
Best regards, Oksana
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info@euromediaplatform.org> wrote:
Dear Olivier,
I completely share your vision!
"The RALO leadership ... needs to push f
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, First of all: I offer my support: If Wolf (or any other responsible) let me know, that a German speaking ALS is missed, I'll be very happy to try to get in contact with them and ask them about their EURALO membership! (For non German speaking ALSses my English is not good enough) At 03.06.2014 14:08, Adam Peake wrote:
Sorry I disagree. Wolf has been trying to contact them for a long time.
Shure, that he also used the official office email account and not only the personal email account of the previous member? Why then this discussion? A short note like "I used this email address as well" would have been more than enough!
And the first recommendation for decertification was sent in February 2014.
Not on this list. Also not in January 2014. I am very surprised at what triggers my attempt at a little support for a discussion. I don't see any need for a further discussion. Kind Regards, Werner - -- Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann - - Mitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. - - - Anerkannter Datenschutzsachverständiger* - Expert for legal and technical evaluations for the European Privacy Seal (EuroPriSe)** * Münchner Str. 101 - Gebäude 1 / 1. OG - D-85737 Ismaning Tel.: 089 / 61 51 54 40, FAX: 089 / 51 30 56 98 Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de *) "Beim Unabhängigen Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein anerkannter Sachverständiger für IT-Produkte (rechtlich und technisch)" sowie Mitglied der Deutschen Sachverständigen-Gesellschaft **) <http://www.european-privacy-seal.eu/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTjb9UAAoJEGF1IJWIbX7akKoH/i2hkhS7JkZyGSD0oQHThkEd eyFMbJLDhRpZCWnc7Qazx0LFdPmbOrYifmIT+9VdXMWUXKRKJoYUzCpRIWLTeLF7 Qj/eQV1xQczYnU3vC/fkfNQuzN68NULm8YYFq7FUiR6HnNQpbUrT63LRGvOSdY3m O8aUMpiy53iih49RKfVsV0gfkgx5+ClFYZpsDptTpFBG7v62gzsHxyWMsV4wrIvH MVC+p3R60jMxFpJxwjI50PUWrbHOHoIFTCu9/JGxNZo7YcGsKBAAepyOC9KAEN3H 8iOMJz+PyE+BuInT7qm5j2Gq5EudSRuFPlwi2gOru1BgXSIzaZDKu9PEt04/X7c= =BlLH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I fully agree jordi ps. and they can also join later on whenever they have the time and resources to join El 03/06/14 11:14, Roberto Gaetano ha escrit:
I strongly support Wolf. I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after members who show little interest in participating: he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the members who do participate, in order to get results for the benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
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"W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" -
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Wolf Ludwig