Hello, EURALO should get started and there are several things that need clarification in order to get started. To name just a few: 1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?) 2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why. ** 3 Board meeting * The Euralo Board should meet after (or during?) the summer break. Where and when? In combination with another meeting? Two possibilities come to mind: ** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11). What do people think? Best, Jeanette and Wolf
Jeanette Hofmann schreef:
Hello,
EURALO should get started and there are several things that need clarification in order to get started. To name just a few:
1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?)
2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why. **
3 Board meeting * The Euralo Board should meet after (or during?) the summer break. Where and when? In combination with another meeting? Two possibilities come to mind: ** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).
What do people think?
Best, Jeanette and Wolf
Looks good to me. Indeed, we need to proceed as soon as possible in order to keep EURALO out of the "bedroom". Several issues have been debated on during the past ICANN meeting in San Juan, some of them are important to us as they will have to be discussed with European official bodies. I will be on vacation from 15th July till end of July but I still hope being online every day for a short time in order to keep up with the messages. Best regards, Rudi Vansnick Chair ISOC Belgium
Hi Rudi, could you be a bit more specific? I.e, when and where would you suggest to meet? How would you see the role of the board? What are the topics that should have priority in your view? thanks, jeanette Rudi Vansnick schrieb:
Jeanette Hofmann schreef:
Hello,
EURALO should get started and there are several things that need clarification in order to get started. To name just a few:
1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?)
2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why. **
3 Board meeting * The Euralo Board should meet after (or during?) the summer break. Where and when? In combination with another meeting? Two possibilities come to mind: ** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).
What do people think?
Best, Jeanette and Wolf
Looks good to me. Indeed, we need to proceed as soon as possible in order to keep EURALO out of the "bedroom". Several issues have been debated on during the past ICANN meeting in San Juan, some of them are important to us as they will have to be discussed with European official bodies.
I will be on vacation from 15th July till end of July but I still hope being online every day for a short time in order to keep up with the messages.
Best regards,
Rudi Vansnick Chair ISOC Belgium
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May I suggest that rather than waiting for face-to-face meetings months down the line, an easier and quicker option would be to have a teleconference? I'm happy to schedule one and since many policy developments are speeding up as a consequence of the work in San Juan, I recommend that a conference for the region to at least be briefed on the current schedule of policy related events. In several cases the ICANN board has specifically requested the At- Large community's considered input - in the case of some things views would need to be collected and submitted in only a few weeks' time. In addition, there are several worldwide policy working groups - you can find these all at https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi? at_large_policy_working_groups. We are asking all regions to find at least one volunteer from each region to participate in each of these; since EURALO hasn't elected regional officers or appointed an interim Secretariat - nobody has even volunteered to act as a temporary Secretariat - you are frankly falling behind the other regions who are more organised. None of this is meant to be critical - on the contrary, I'm hoping that it causes at least one or two people in the EURALO, or the board, to volunteer to join the policy development work... On 6 Jul 2007, at 15:22, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
Hello,
EURALO should get started and there are several things that need clarification in order to get started. To name just a few:
1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?)
2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why. **
3 Board meeting * The Euralo Board should meet after (or during?) the summer break. Where and when? In combination with another meeting? Two possibilities come to mind: ** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).
What do people think?
Best, Jeanette and Wolf
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Nick,
at_large_policy_working_groups. We are asking all regions to find at least one volunteer from each region to participate in each of these; since EURALO hasn't elected regional officers or appointed an interim Secretariat - nobody has even volunteered to act as a temporary Secretariat -
You are wrong here. Wolf did volunteer. I saw his email on this list. It could be that you didn't. you are frankly falling behind the other regions who
are more organised.
None of this is meant to be critical - on the contrary,
I am sure all of us appreciate your support, Nick. jeanette I'm hoping
that it causes at least one or two people in the EURALO, or the board, to volunteer to join the policy development work...
On 6 Jul 2007, at 15:22, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
Hello,
EURALO should get started and there are several things that need clarification in order to get started. To name just a few:
1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?)
2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why. **
3 Board meeting * The Euralo Board should meet after (or during?) the summer break. Where and when? In combination with another meeting? Two possibilities come to mind: ** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).
What do people think?
Best, Jeanette and Wolf
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On 6 Jul 2007, at 22:51, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
Nick,
at_large_policy_working_groups. We are asking all regions to find at least one volunteer from each region to participate in each of these; since EURALO hasn't elected regional officers or appointed an interim Secretariat - nobody has even volunteered to act as a temporary Secretariat -
You are wrong here. Wolf did volunteer. I saw his email on this list. It could be that you didn't.
I haven't seen such an message - Wolf are you still game? If so that's great!
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:53:>
On 6 Jul 2007, at 22:51, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
since EURALO hasn't elected regional officers or appointed an interim Secretariat - nobody has even volunteered to act as a temporary Secretariat -
You are wrong here. Wolf did volunteer. I saw his email on this list. It could be that you didn't.
I haven't seen such an message - Wolf are you still game? If so that's great!
Yes, in principle I'm still ready -- except for the week from 15 to 21 July when I am on holidays out of the country and not online. The best would be to start with the Interim Secretariat immediately afterwards. Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 www.comunica-ch.net http://blog.allmend.ch - Digitale Allmend
As for what is the role of the Board, a good starting point could be the approved Bylaws. ;>) I am not sure to have the good version (I took this from the Wiki), but please find below is what it says about the Board. About the Board meeting, I was under the impression that Wolfgang had proposed an EURALO meeting in conjunction with the Studienkreis. I assumed that to be the GA (that according to the Bylaws has to take place before the end of 2007), not the Board. Which means that, if the proposal is accepted, the Board has to meet before (although it could well be in Warsaw just before the GA). Incidentally, I had 11-12 October as dates for the Studienkreis, not 10-11. We might want to set exact dates, also because the Studienkreis web site does not show yet a firm statement on the 2007 edition. Just for curiosity, what prevents the Board from holding elections online for the Chair, and then have the first meeting by teleconference, just to start getting organized? There seems to be no objection to the Chair/ViceChair proposal (although I personally would have preferred to see a Chair and a Vice Chair coming from the two different areas of thought that animated the discussion a while ago, just as a concrete sign of good willingness to work together), so the matter might be solved quickly. Once a Chair is seated, maybe things will start going. Anyway, among the priorities we might put the definition of who on the Board is on 1 year term, who on 2. I think that this is the very last item on structure, then we can move to substance. Cheers, Roberto ============ extract from the Bylaws =================== 9 Board 9.1 The Board of The Association shall consist of at least five members. The size of the Board may be expanded reviewed by the General Assembly as it shall see fit. The GA elects at least one chair person and a treasurer. The Board shall establish rules of procedure, which shall be generally available and are subject to the review of the GA. 9.2 In order to enhance diversity of the Association as provided in Article 3.4, at least five members of the Board shall be: 9.2.1 nationals of different countries, and; 9.2.2 to the extent possible, from different regions of Europe, and; 9.2.3 to the extent possible, gender balance shall be sought. 9.3 The Board is responsible for all matters of The Association, as far as they are not assigned to other Bodies of The Association. It is accountable to the General Assembly for all its actions and decisions, without limitation. The board is particularly responsible for the following matters: 9.3.1 Preparation of and convening of the General Assembly as well as compilation of the draft agenda, where the General Assembly decides to delegate either or both to the Board; 9.3.2 Implementation of the decisions of the General Assembly; 9.3.3 Compilation of the budget for the financial year for approval by the General Assembly; 9.3.4 Within six (6) months of the end of the financial year of the Association, the Board will approve or otherwise the accounts for the preceding financial year, said accounts to be submitted to the relevant governmental agencies if required, as well as the General Assembly; 9.3.5 Within six (6) months of the end of the financial year of the Association, the Board shall submit a summary of the work of the Association during the preceding year for review by the General Assembly; 9.3.6 Dealing with applications for Membership as provided in Article 4; 9.3.7 Removal or expulsion of members as provided in Article 4; 9.3.8 Hiring and dismissing of employees in a secretariat - except where they are employed by a third party. 9.4 In any matters of special importance to the Association, the Board shall ask the advisory council, where constituted, for a statement, and provide the same to the General Assembly. 9.5 Election and period of office of the Board 9.5.1 The members of the Board shall be elected by the General Assembly for a period of up to two years, such term beginning with the date of election, renewable at the pleasure of the General Assembly, for not more than two consecutive terms. 9.5.2 The first election after adoption of these Bylaws shall elect one-half of the members of the Board for one year, and the other half for two years. 9.5.3 The Board remains in its position until successors are elected. 9.5.4 Any person may be elected to the Board, though nomination of candidates for the Board is reserved to ALSes. 9.5.5 Where a member of the Board relinquishes his seat or becomes ineligible to continue occupying his or her seat for any reason the board shall appoint a successor and notify the the General Assembly by electronic mail of the appointment, which is subject to review by the General Assembly. 9.6 Officers of the Board 9.6.1 The Chair of the Board, and a Vice-Chair, shall be elected by the Board subsequent to the election of the Board, subject to 9.6.4, from amongst those Board members willing to serve. 9.6.2 The Chair shall serve as the official representative of the Association where such is required, or where the General Assembly so designates. 9.6.3 The Chair shall act as the chair at all meetings of the Board. Where the Chair is unavailable, the Vice-Chair shall preside. 9.6.4 The term of office of the Chair, and of the Vice-Chair, shall last for two years from the date of their election. 9.6.5 The Board may create additional officer positions as may be required from time to time. 9.7 Meetings and decisions of the Board 9.7.1 The Board shall conclude the business of the Association at meetings of its members; 9.7.2 Meetings shall be convened by an invitation from the chairperson. Where the chair is unable so to do, the Board may designate another member of that body to invite the Board to meet. 9.7.3 Notification of a meeting shall be sent not less than two weeks in advance. 9.7.4 Board meetings may take place in person, via telephone or videoconference or via the Internet. 9.7.5 The Board shall form a quorum if two-thirds of the members of the Board are present or participate via other means. 9.7.6 The Board passes resolutions by simple majority; where a tied vote results the chairperson shall cast the deciding vote. Where the chair is unable to attend the vice-chair shall cast the deciding vote. 9.7.7 The Board shall to the maximum extent possible operate via consensus.
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeanette Hofmann Sent: 06 July 2007 16:22 To: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Wolf Ludwig Subject: [EURO-Discuss] Things to discuss
Hello,
EURALO should get started and there are several things that need clarification in order to get started. To name just a few:
1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?)
2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why. **
3 Board meeting * The Euralo Board should meet after (or during?) the summer break. Where and when? In combination with another meeting? Two possibilities come to mind: ** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).
What do people think?
Best, Jeanette and Wolf
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Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:
1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?)
I would refrain from further procedural discussions (also, no other region is making things as complex as us). If we can live with the Bylaws we have (and it was already hard to agree on them), I would suggest that you two pick the person who can be the Chair for this first year, and if it's the only candidate we consider him/her elected... or, if you prefer, we can cast our votes in private in the online system, so that there is a track of a formal vote. Also I think that the issue of "who gets 2-year terms" is easy, the five most voted get two years, the others get one.
2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why.
We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
3 Board meeting * The Euralo Board should meet after (or during?) the summer break. Where and when? In combination with another meeting? Two possibilities come to mind: ** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).
What do people think?
We should meet when we have an agenda that requires an in-person meeting... I have no funding to go either to Geneva or to Warsaw, for example. We should perhaps start by using conference calls, which are less costly. Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hi Vittorio, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:
1 EURALO board: * We need to elect chairs * We need to clarify the role of the board (is it of a more coordinative nature or is its role an initializing one?)
I would refrain from further procedural discussions (also, no other region is making things as complex as us). If we can live with the Bylaws we have (and it was already hard to agree on them), I would suggest that you two pick the person who can be the Chair for this first year,
This we did already some weeks ago. Wolf is willing to be the chair. I would support him as vice-chair. So far, nobody else has expressed interest in any of the two positions. and if it's the only candidate we consider him/her elected... or,
if you prefer, we can cast our votes in private in the online system, so that there is a track of a formal vote.
Personally, I prefer a vote to ensure that there is sufficient support for Wolf and for me. But I won't insist on it. Also I think that the issue of
"who gets 2-year terms" is easy, the five most voted get two years, the others get one.
2 Work plan * We need to discuss what issues we want to adress in the coming months and we need to agree on what our priorities are. I guess we all agree that we won't be able to cover all the topics ICANN is dealing with. We need to be selective, and it would be good to have a discussion on this list on what matters to us and why.
We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example.
Yes, I support this. But I would ask them to not only list topics but also explain why the chosen topics matters most to them. Also, some of us should
participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Yes, I agree.
What do people think?
We should meet when we have an agenda that requires an in-person meeting... I have no funding to go either to Geneva or to Warsaw, for example. We should perhaps start by using conference calls, which are less costly.
I think a face to face meeting is important to establish a more trustful and constructive working atmosphere. So far, we've argued most of the time and disagreed on almost everything. In my experience, face to face meetings do help to overcome such deadlocks. It goes without saying that a face to face meeting needs an agenda, yes. I've been told that ICANN would fund a board meeting if all board members agree that such a meeting is necessary. jeanette
Ciao,
Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:
and if it's the only candidate we consider him/her elected... or,
if you prefer, we can cast our votes in private in the online system, so that there is a track of a formal vote.
Personally, I prefer a vote to ensure that there is sufficient support for Wolf and for me. But I won't insist on it.
Ok, I think we can ask Nick to set up the voting system, as he did for the vote in May. Should we try to do this in the next couple of weeks? I think that once we have a Chair, we also have someone who can proceed, for example, with publishing the call we were talking about. Also, do we want a mailing list for the Board, or do we want to conduct our business on this list?
I think a face to face meeting is important to establish a more trustful and constructive working atmosphere. So far, we've argued most of the time and disagreed on almost everything. In my experience, face to face meetings do help to overcome such deadlocks. It goes without saying that a face to face meeting needs an agenda, yes. I've been told that ICANN would fund a board meeting if all board members agree that such a meeting is necessary.
There were some talks with Wolfgang about turning the Studienkreis meeting into a major outreach meeting for the At Large in Europe. In that case, I think that ICANN could support the travel of the Board to Warsaw, perhaps even of all the ALSes (not sure - but we should have a GA before the end of the year, right?). Is October too far away in time, however? (Also, there will be an ICANN meeting in Europe in June 2008, so that should be the time/place for our 2008 GA.) Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hi all, I support Jeanette’s point for a vote to ensure sufficient support for the chair as well as Vittorio
to ask Nick to set up the voting system, as he did for the vote in May. But we should avoid to loose too much time with procedure discussions again. Therefore I agree with whatever solution which is easy to handle and may find consensus on the list!
I would like to know more about the expectations in respect of the role of the chair and the board. Do they have, as Patrick suggested, a
coordinative function at this stage. or an initializing role what, Patrick again, would require more investment in time and energy from the board members?
Regarding a working programme, I prefer the approach suggested by Vittorio
to ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. But with a short explaination why those suggested issues are of prior relevance to them, as mentioned by Jeanette.
Let’s combine it with Vittorio’s proposal that
some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
By such a procedure we could a come up with a list of priority issues for EURALO and get an idea who isfollowing-up/ covering other issues of the ALAC working groups. A solid working programme and a list of responsibilities among board members could be established by this. For considerations of principle and transparence I would prefer „to conduct our business on this list“ than having a separate board list. Also according to my experiences, a face-to-face board meeting could be more constructive and productive – at least in a start-up period – than a phone conference (which is much cheaper, I agree, but does neither asure availablity nor particpation of all board members). Of course, such a physical board meeting needs prior inputs, consulations on working issues and priorities and a consolidated agenda! But once we have a working programme and and a step- by-step planning, phone conferences are very suitable for interim coordination and consultaions. The Studienkreis meeting in October would be a good opportunity to be used as an outreach meeting for the At Large in Europe -– even if it’s rather late! And I also hope that ICANN could support the travel of the Board to Warsaw. My first preference would be a meeting just before the IGF- consultaions at the very beginning of September (Saturday 1.09.07) in Geneva. I am ready to organise it on a low budget level if travel reimbursements could be arranged. Best regards, Wolf Vittorio Bertola wrote Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:51:
Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:
and if it's the only candidate we consider him/her elected... or,
if you prefer, we can cast our votes in private in the online system, so that there is a track of a formal vote.
Personally, I prefer a vote to ensure that there is sufficient support for Wolf and for me. But I won't insist on it.
Ok, I think we can ask Nick to set up the voting system, as he did for the vote in May. Should we try to do this in the next couple of weeks? I think that once we have a Chair, we also have someone who can proceed, for example, with publishing the call we were talking about. Also, do we want a mailing list for the Board, or do we want to conduct our business on this list?
I think a face to face meeting is important to establish a more trustful and constructive working atmosphere. So far, we've argued most of the time and disagreed on almost everything. In my experience, face to face meetings do help to overcome such deadlocks. It goes without saying that a face to face meeting needs an agenda, yes. I've been told that ICANN would fund a board meeting if all board members agree that such a meeting is necessary.
There were some talks with Wolfgang about turning the Studienkreis meeting into a major outreach meeting for the At Large in Europe. In that case, I think that ICANN could support the travel of the Board to Warsaw, perhaps even of all the ALSes (not sure - but we should have a GA before the end of the year, right?). Is October too far away in time, however?
(Also, there will be an ICANN meeting in Europe in June 2008, so that should be the time/place for our 2008 GA.)
Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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I am not sure what if anything there is to be voted on to be honest. If there is only one candidate for Chair, is the question to be asked in the election "Do you support Wolf Ludwig to be the Chair of EURALO?" -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
I am not sure what if anything there is to be voted on to be honest. If there is only one candidate for Chair, is the question to be asked in the election "Do you support Wolf Ludwig to be the Chair of EURALO?"
Yes. And also: do you support Jeanette Hofmann to be vice-chair. jeanette
-- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org <mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com <mailto:ashtonhart@hotmail.com> / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com <mailto:nashtonhart@mac.com> / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Can someone please tell me why we are having a vote when there is only one candidate for elections? This doesn't make sense to me. I hope you'll all understand this isn't meant to be critical, but I have little admin support for the next several weeks and I really have to prioritise what I spend time on. It is hard to for me to understand how an election with only one candidate for each position is even possible - the outcome is predetermined. That's like a communist-era election in the Soviet union with only one candidate, surely? On 10 Jul 2007, at 22:27, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
I am not sure what if anything there is to be voted on to be honest. If there is only one candidate for Chair, is the question to be asked in the election "Do you support Wolf Ludwig to be the Chair of EURALO?"
Yes. And also: do you support Jeanette Hofmann to be vice-chair.
jeanette
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Hi Nick, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:29:
Can someone please tell me why we are having a vote when there is only one candidate for elections? This doesn't make sense to me. I hope you'll all understand this isn't meant to be critical, but I have little admin support for the next several weeks and I really have to prioritise what I spend time on. It is hard to for me to understand how an election with only one candidate for each position is even possible - the outcome is predetermined. That's like a communist-era election in the Soviet union with only one candidate, surely?
Let me try. I think no one wants to complicate your life or to bother you with too much bureaucracy. And I understand your reasoning. BUT even if the outcome may be predetermined -- like a communist-era election ;-), the difference is: If half of the board says „No, we don’t want this guy!“ then we have to look for another volunteer/candidate because it wouldn’t make sense to me taking over a chair position without having the confidence and approval of at least a majority of my board colleagues. And I can imagine that Jeanette may see it for her vice position in a similar way?! Please be asured that we don’t want to play on formalism but fatalism (because their is no alternative) would be a poor precondition for a chairs’ legitimacy. If you don’t have the time to create an online voting tool then simply define a voting period (one week?) when board members can express their opinions or even abstentions on the candidates. Once they are approved it’s done – otherwise we have to look for other and more acceptable solutions. As I agree to Wolfgang’s and Jeanette’s argument that the Lisbon meeting was a pre-EURALO issue, I will follow your hint and fill-in/ submit a demand for an official F2F meeting in combination with the Outreach-meeting in October in Warsaw ( - and hope it may find a favourable consideration by you). Best, Wolf
On 10 Jul 2007, at 22:27, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
I am not sure what if anything there is to be voted on to be honest. If there is only one candidate for Chair, is the question to be asked in the election "Do you support Wolf Ludwig to be the Chair of EURALO?"
Yes. And also: do you support Jeanette Hofmann to be vice-chair.
jeanette
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Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Please be asured that we don't want to play on formalism but fatalism (because their is no alternative) would be a poor precondition for a chairs' legitimacy.
If I were an EURALO Board member, I would say right now on the list that I actively support Wolf and Jeannette. And I would assume that if enough EURALO Board members do the same, the issue could be put to rest even without a formal vote. Anybody sharing my position? Cheers, Roberto
Like Roberto I am not an EURALO Board member but an EURALO member and like Roberto I would encourage all EURALO Board members just to confirm Wolf and Jeanette as Chair and Vice Chair so that they can start their work based on the confidence of the vast majority of the Board members. Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Roberto Gaetano Gesendet: Mi 11.07.2007 22:06 An: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe'; 'Jeanette Hofmann' Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Things to discuss Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Please be asured that we don't want to play on formalism but fatalism (because their is no alternative) would be a poor precondition for a chairs' legitimacy.
If I were an EURALO Board member, I would say right now on the list that I actively support Wolf and Jeannette. And I would assume that if enough EURALO Board members do the same, the issue could be put to rest even without a formal vote. Anybody sharing my position? Cheers, Roberto _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i... Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/>
Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Like Roberto I am not an EURALO Board member but an EURALO member and like Roberto I would encourage all EURALO Board members just to confirm Wolf and Jeanette as Chair and Vice Chair so that they can start their work based on the confidence of the vast majority of the Board members.
Vast majority? I would go for full consensus. It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO, and this starts with having *the whole* EURALO Board expressing confidence to the leaders, and continues with the leaders making decisions taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions. We cannot afford a majority/minority division if we want to count in the ICANN structure. Cheers, Roberto
Full Consensus? This would be my dream :-)))). w ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Roberto Gaetano Gesendet: Mi 11.07.2007 23:34 An: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Things to discuss Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Like Roberto I am not an EURALO Board member but an EURALO member and like Roberto I would encourage all EURALO Board members just to confirm Wolf and Jeanette as Chair and Vice Chair so that they can start their work based on the confidence of the vast majority of the Board members.
Vast majority? I would go for full consensus. It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO, and this starts with having *the whole* EURALO Board expressing confidence to the leaders, and continues with the leaders making decisions taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions. We cannot afford a majority/minority division if we want to count in the ICANN structure. Cheers, Roberto _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i... Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/>
no arm twisting please :-) jeanette Roberto Gaetano schrieb:
Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Like Roberto I am not an EURALO Board member but an EURALO member and like Roberto I would encourage all EURALO Board members just to confirm Wolf and Jeanette as Chair and Vice Chair so that they can start their work based on the confidence of the vast majority of the Board members.
Vast majority? I would go for full consensus. It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO, and this starts with having *the whole* EURALO Board expressing confidence to the leaders, and continues with the leaders making decisions taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions. We cannot afford a majority/minority division if we want to count in the ICANN structure.
Cheers, Roberto
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Roberto Gaetano wrote:
It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead
Exactly ! Can we move forward, please ? -- Patrick Vande Walle Check my blog at http://patrick.vande-walle.eu Jabber me at patrick@vande-walle.eu
As a Euralo board member I support Jeanette and Wolf as Vice Chair and Chair. Please let go forward now. Best regards, Rudi Vansnick
Jeanette, Wolf you got my support! _______________________________________________ Christoph Bruch German Civil Liberties Union Neue Christstr.6 Greifswalder Str.4 D-14059 Berlin D-10405 Berlin 030-32103282 Fon: 030-20450256 Fax: 030-20450257 info@humanistische-union.de www.humanistische-union.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Roberto Gaetano Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2007 22:07 An: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe'; 'Jeanette Hofmann' Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Things to discuss Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Please be asured that we don't want to play on formalism but fatalism (because their is no alternative) would be a poor precondition for a chairs' legitimacy.
If I were an EURALO Board member, I would say right now on the list that I actively support Wolf and Jeannette. And I would assume that if enough EURALO Board members do the same, the issue could be put to rest even without a formal vote. Anybody sharing my position? Cheers, Roberto _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i cann.org Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
Hi, I support Wolf and Jeannette. BTW the bylaws say at 9.1 that "The GA elects at least one chair person and a treasurer" and at 9.6.1 that "The Chair of the Board, and a Vice-Chair, shall be elected by the Board subsequent to the election of the Board." Just FMI, could someone who was in Lisbon explain? Best, Bill On 7/11/07 10:06 PM, "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@icann.org> wrote:
Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Please be asured that we don't want to play on formalism but fatalism (because their is no alternative) would be a poor precondition for a chairs' legitimacy.
If I were an EURALO Board member, I would say right now on the list that I actively support Wolf and Jeannette. And I would assume that if enough EURALO Board members do the same, the issue could be put to rest even without a formal vote. Anybody sharing my position?
Cheers, Roberto
Bill, If I remember correctly from the discussions in Frankfurt and Berlin, we have a Chairperson of the Board, elected by the Board, and one Chairperson of the General Assembly, elected by the General Assembly (the whole EURALO membership). These two person can be (and I assume they generally would be) distinct. However, I don't know if there have been relevant changes in Lisbon, as I could not follow the matter in detail. Cheers, Roberto
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Hi,
I support Wolf and Jeannette.
BTW the bylaws say at 9.1 that "The GA elects at least one chair person and a treasurer" and at 9.6.1 that "The Chair of the Board, and a Vice-Chair, shall be elected by the Board subsequent to the election of the Board." Just FMI, could someone who was in Lisbon explain?
Best,
Bill
On 7/11/07 10:06 PM, "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@icann.org> wrote:
Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Please be asured that we don't want to play on formalism
but fatalism
(because their is no alternative) would be a poor precondition for a chairs' legitimacy.
If I were an EURALO Board member, I would say right now on the list that I actively support Wolf and Jeannette. And I would assume that if enough EURALO Board members do the same, the issue could be put to rest even without a formal vote. Anybody sharing my position?
Cheers, Roberto
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Hi Roberto and all, Roberto Gaetano wrote Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:14:
If I remember correctly from the discussions in Frankfurt and Berlin, we have a Chairperson of the Board, elected by the Board, and one Chairperson of the General Assembly, elected by the General Assembly (the whole EURALO membership). These two person can be (and I assume they generally would be) distinct.
I remember the same consideration lines from Frankfurt and Berlin as Roberto.
However, I don't know if there have been relevant changes in Lisbon, as I could not follow the matter in detail.
But I didn't follow, I must admit, the final discussions on the by-laws in Lisbon neither. However I assume, like Roberto, that these two persons can be/would be "distinct" -- what should generally enable the option of a co-chair (?). In principle I agree with Bill that we have at least to reconsider/rediscuss the respective articles at the next GA of EURALO to adjust them to given experiences or foreseeable options. Best, Wolf William Drake wrote 12 July 2007 11:31:
BTW the bylaws say at 9.1 that "The GA elects at least one chair person and a treasurer" and at 9.6.1 that "The Chair of the Board, and a Vice-Chair, shall be elected by the Board subsequent to the election of the Board." Just FMI, could someone who was in Lisbon explain?
Best, Bill
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Hi, Thanks Roberto, I thought maybe the first reference was to a chair of the GA, but the sentence occurs in the midst of a section that is otherwise about the board so it's not obvious. There's a few other odd bits in there as well which as Wolf suggests might merit tweaks. I have no great bureaucratic passion for bylaws but have alas seen what happens when they're ambiguous or don't map with actual practice. Best, BD On 7/12/07 9:32 PM, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Hi Roberto and all,
Roberto Gaetano wrote Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:14:
If I remember correctly from the discussions in Frankfurt and Berlin, we have a Chairperson of the Board, elected by the Board, and one Chairperson of the General Assembly, elected by the General Assembly (the whole EURALO membership). These two person can be (and I assume they generally would be) distinct.
I remember the same consideration lines from Frankfurt and Berlin as Roberto.
However, I don't know if there have been relevant changes in Lisbon, as I could not follow the matter in detail.
But I didn't follow, I must admit, the final discussions on the by-laws in Lisbon neither. However I assume, like Roberto, that these two persons can be/would be "distinct" -- what should generally enable the option of a co-chair (?).
In principle I agree with Bill that we have at least to reconsider/rediscuss the respective articles at the next GA of EURALO to adjust them to given experiences or foreseeable options.
Best, Wolf
William Drake wrote 12 July 2007 11:31:
BTW the bylaws say at 9.1 that "The GA elects at least one chair person and a treasurer" and at 9.6.1 that "The Chair of the Board, and a Vice-Chair, shall be elected by the Board subsequent to the election of the Board." Just FMI, could someone who was in Lisbon explain?
Best, Bill
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On 7 Jul 2007, at 15:19, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
I think a face to face meeting is important to establish a more trustful and constructive working atmosphere. So far, we've argued most of the time and disagreed on almost everything. In my experience, face to face meetings do help to overcome such deadlocks. It goes without saying that a face to face meeting needs an agenda, yes. I've been told that ICANN would fund a board meeting if all board members agree that such a meeting is necessary. jeanette
I do not know who told you that, but whoever it is shouldn't have done so - you should be advised that since the European region just met in Lisbon, and since you will be invited again to meet en masse next June, it is unlikely that funding will be available for regional meetings from ICANN in between.
Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
On 7 Jul 2007, at 15:19, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
I think a face to face meeting is important to establish a more trustful and constructive working atmosphere. So far, we've argued most of the time and disagreed on almost everything. In my experience, face to face meetings do help to overcome such deadlocks. It goes without saying that a face to face meeting needs an agenda, yes. I've been told that ICANN would fund a board meeting if all board members agree that such a meeting is necessary. jeanette
I do not know who told you that, but whoever it is shouldn't have done so - you should be advised that since the European region just met in Lisbon, and since you will be invited again to meet en masse next June, it is unlikely that funding will be available for regional meetings from ICANN in between.
The board didn't exist at that time. As I said before, I find it important that the board can have a face to face meeting. A board meeting is different than a regional meeting. Who decides whether or not a board meeting gets funding from ICANN? jeanette
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Maybe define what is the overall budget for meetings, and decide on priorities? Regards, Roberto
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Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
On 7 Jul 2007, at 15:19, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
I think a face to face meeting is important to establish a more trustful and constructive working atmosphere. So far, we've argued most of the time and disagreed on almost everything. In my experience, face to face meetings do help to overcome such deadlocks. It goes without saying that a face to face meeting needs an agenda, yes. I've been told that ICANN would fund a board meeting if all board members agree that such a meeting is necessary. jeanette
I do not know who told you that, but whoever it is shouldn't have done so - you should be advised that since the European region just met in Lisbon, and since you will be invited again to meet en masse next June, it is unlikely that funding will be available for regional meetings from ICANN in between.
The board didn't exist at that time. As I said before, I find it important that the board can have a face to face meeting. A board meeting is different than a regional meeting. Who decides whether or not a board meeting gets funding from ICANN? jeanette
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I do - you would need to submit the form for this purpose, available on the Wiki. My previous comments apply to the board as they do to the region, but if you send through a request then I can at least have a conversation with Denise about it. On 10 Jul 2007, at 22:32, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
On 7 Jul 2007, at 15:19, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
I think a face to face meeting is important to establish a more trustful and constructive working atmosphere. So far, we've argued most of the time and disagreed on almost everything. In my experience, face to face meetings do help to overcome such deadlocks. It goes without saying that a face to face meeting needs an agenda, yes. I've been told that ICANN would fund a board meeting if all board members agree that such a meeting is necessary. jeanette I do not know who told you that, but whoever it is shouldn't have done so - you should be advised that since the European region just met in Lisbon, and since you will be invited again to meet en masse next June, it is unlikely that funding will be available for regional meetings from ICANN in between.
The board didn't exist at that time. As I said before, I find it important that the board can have a face to face meeting. A board meeting is different than a regional meeting. Who decides whether or not a board meeting gets funding from ICANN? jeanette
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Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon. Wolfgang: Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this. Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
Hi all, If I didn’t miss something, the following ICANN-related topics were suggested so far: ->Protection of Registrants in relation to Registrars (RAA amendments) ->IPv6 ->IDNs ->DNSSEC ->gTLD process ->ICANN Geographic Regions (a joint interest with the ccNSO) ->Privacy and Whois ->Price development in the registration sphere ->DNS and Freedom of expression. ->ICANN reform, and the GNSO reform recommendations re constituency restructuring ->public sphere and concerns. In the suggested survey (by Vittorio) among ALSes I think it would be better not to mention these issues already (and to offer a kind of multiple choice) but to leave it up to the ALSes to tell their 3 main concerns and priorities. Such a survey could be done in the following format and comprise questions like: Organisation / ALS: Representative / contact point: What should be, according to your organizational targets, the main issues and priorities for an EURALO working programme 2007-08? 1. 2. 3. Please give a short explanation why these issues are of prior relevance for your organisation. Would you (representative/contact point) or another person of your organisation like to contribute to EURALO’s work in respect to your suggested priorities? What do you suggest or expect EURALO should concentrate on in the next two years under assumed limited capacities? Best, Wolf Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:21:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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Could not both be combined - asking if people are interested in working on one of the working groups and letting them select from them (as many as they like) - but then also providing 3 opportunities for respondents to fill in if they are interested in other areas of work, and tell a bit about why those interest them? Otherwise those taking the survey will not even know what areas are already being worked on which they might be interested in - and where input is (in some cases urgently) needed. On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:58, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Hi all,
If I didn’t miss something, the following ICANN-related topics were suggested so far: ->Protection of Registrants in relation to Registrars (RAA amendments) ->IPv6 ->IDNs ->DNSSEC ->gTLD process ->ICANN Geographic Regions (a joint interest with the ccNSO)
->Privacy and Whois ->Price development in the registration sphere ->DNS and Freedom of expression. ->ICANN reform, and the GNSO reform recommendations re constituency restructuring ->public sphere and concerns.
In the suggested survey (by Vittorio) among ALSes I think it would be better not to mention these issues already (and to offer a kind of multiple choice) but to leave it up to the ALSes to tell their 3 main concerns and priorities.
Such a survey could be done in the following format and comprise questions like:
Organisation / ALS:
Representative / contact point:
What should be, according to your organizational targets, the main issues and priorities for an EURALO working programme 2007-08? 1. 2. 3.
Please give a short explanation why these issues are of prior relevance for your organisation.
Would you (representative/contact point) or another person of your organisation like to contribute to EURALO’s work in respect to your suggested priorities?
What do you suggest or expect EURALO should concentrate on in the next two years under assumed limited capacities?
Best, Wolf
Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:21:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:13:
Could not both be combined - asking if people are interested in working on one of the working groups and letting them select from them (as many as they like) ...
Fine to me, Nick, - but then also providing 3 opportunities
for respondents to fill in if they are interested in other areas of work, and tell a bit about why those interest them?
Otherwise those taking the survey will not even know what areas are already being worked on which they might be interested in - and where input is (in some cases urgently) needed.
Good point, whatever helps to get working areas and responsibilities listed and to get the board structured and workable is perfect to me! Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 www.comunica-ch.net http://blog.allmend.ch - Digitale Allmend
Hi all, In addition to selecting three most important issues, I would like to see Euralo take a lead on getting rid of some outdated gTLD policies, such as the 5 day registration grace period - which IMHO does not serve any real purpose anymore. I think we can work through ALAC to build consensus with other constituencies on this issue before and at the next ICANN meeting. AFAIK, it's currently mostly being exploited by some registrars for domain name tastings and not used by registrants. Registrants rarely ever make typos when registering a domain name (why the policy was adopted, and the registrars that have an issue of collecting payments - if the credit card bounces off) have different ways of dealing with that issue. Regarding the meeting suggestions, Sunday, Sept 2nd, 13 - 6pm before the IGF meeting in Geneva works for me. What is the status of the working co-chairs? Desiree -- Kleinwächter wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example.
Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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Hi all,
In addition to selecting three most important issues, I would like to see Euralo take a lead on getting rid of some outdated gTLD policies, such as the 5 day registration grace period - which IMHO does not serve any real purpose anymore. I think we can work through ALAC to build consensus with other constituencies on this issue before and at the next ICANN meeting.
This is being discussed right now on the global At Large list. BTW, I would recommend that people also join that list - it's helpful for discussions that have a global flavour.
Regarding the meeting suggestions, Sunday, Sept 2nd, 13 - 6pm before the IGF meeting in Geneva works for me.
What is the status of the working co-chairs?
If I get it well, there is consensus that Wolf will be the Chair for this initial term, with Jeanette supporting him, so that we don't have to enter into yet another discussion on Bylaws interpretation etc. Of course, if someone else wants to be a candidate, he/she should just say so in the next couple of days. In the meantime, if it is ok with everyone, I would ask Nick to set up a simple online voting booth for the nine Board members, so that we can formally elect the Chair. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
It might be useful to identify the individuals who will be able to attend said events, and the ICANN meeting in LA. Also, it may be better that the Euralo meeting takes place before or after the main meetings so that people can devote 100% of their time to Euralo. Yet, I think a teleconference should be useful at this stage, as it will prevent the board for being inactive for another two months. It even works from most holiday locations. Agree with Vittorio we do not need to go through another formal process to select the chair(s). Anyone willing to roll up his/her sleeves has my support. What is important now is to go ahead and get the job done. Along the same lines, we should launch the survey among ALSes before everyone leaves on vacation. Patrick Kleinwächter wrote:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Hi, On 7/9/07 10:42 AM, "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick@vande-walle.eu> wrote:
It might be useful to identify the individuals who will be able to attend said events, and the ICANN meeting in LA.
I agree, it makes no sense to be planning events absent any info on who could attend. There's been mention of organizing a board meeting prior to the next IGF consultation, but many people don't come to these, which is understandable inter alia because the decisions will anyway be made in closed meeting of the Advisory Group, assuming the UN SG reappoints one. There would also be logistical issues with regard to organizing something in Geneva on a Sunday. Meanwhile, Wolfgang has suggested that his Warsaw event could be used not only for a F2F board meeting, but also a GA. This makes sense to me, given that 1) unlike the IGF, the meeting is focused on ICANN issues, and on the European scene; 2) the Bylaws require a GA this year, it'd make sense for at least the first one to be F2F to build trust etc, and it's not obvious when/where else would be a better opportunity for that; 3) there'd be obvious synergies to holding F2F board and GA meetings back to back; and 4) the date is far enough away for all board members to plan on (barring the odd schedule conflict) and for us to set the agenda and advertise the event among the relevant constituencies, who in turn would have time to ramp up. Bear in mind that under the bylaws, a) the board must notify members and provide the agenda, financials, and other info at least 30 days prior to a GA; and b) only members as of 30 days prior can vote at a GA. So while October sounds like a ways away, time would be needed for all concerned to plan properly.
Also, it may be better that the Euralo meeting takes place before or after the main meetings so that people can devote 100% of their time to Euralo.
Since the Studienkreis is Thurs-Friday 11th-12th, presumably this would mean doing a GA and a board meeting the 9th-10th, unless a half day per is sufficient the first time out. If people could indicate whether they could make these dates, and if it seems a meatspace quorum is possible, then per Wolfgang we could devise a budget proposal to Nick.
Yet, I think a teleconference should be useful at this stage, as it will prevent the board for being inactive for another two months. It even works from most holiday locations.
How about a first board meeting via teleconference the week of 13 August? This would presumably give us enough time to sort out modalities and priorities before hand. Moreover, those who attend the Meissen meeting two weeks prior, including our proposed chair and VC, could use that opportunity to plan the teleconference.
Agree with Vittorio we do not need to go through another formal process to select the chair(s). Anyone willing to roll up his/her sleeves has my support. What is important now is to go ahead and get the job done.
The bylaws require that "the GA elects at least one chair person and a treasurer." We should either follow the bylaws or change them, but not ignore them.
Along the same lines, we should launch the survey among ALSes before everyone leaves on vacation.
Yes, and at the same time, why not propose the Warsaw dates and see whether people would be able to attend? Best, Bill
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them: IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration Also important European contributions are needed in: GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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I am willing to cover IDNs. jeanette Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them:
IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).> Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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I am willing to cover IDNs. jeanette
Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them:
IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).> Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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I'm interested by the Registrant / Registrar Relations workgroup Rudi Vansnick Nick Ashton-Hart schreef:
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them:
IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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Super! You can subscribe to that WG at: http://atlarge- lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/raa-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.org The homepage for it is: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi? registrant_registrar_relations On 9 Jul 2007, at 17:39, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
I'm interested by the Registrant / Registrar Relations workgroup
Rudi Vansnick
Nick Ashton-Hart schreef:
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them:
IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).>
Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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Nick:
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
Wolfgang: I am not a member of ALAC or the ERALO Baord, just a ALS but I would be ready and interested to liase ALAC to the Presidents Strategy Committee w
ALAC has a liaison to the PSC - Pierre Dandjinou. What we do need is someone (or more but at least one) from each region to work with Pierre. On 10 Jul 2007, at 22:19, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Nick:
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
Wolfgang: I am not a member of ALAC or the ERALO Baord, just a ALS but I would be ready and interested to liase ALAC to the Presidents Strategy Committee
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I can work with Pierre, if he wishes it. I know him quite well from many meetings. w ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart Gesendet: Mi 11.07.2007 16:25 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Things to discuss ALAC has a liaison to the PSC - Pierre Dandjinou. What we do need is someone (or more but at least one) from each region to work with Pierre. On 10 Jul 2007, at 22:19, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Nick:
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
Wolfgang: I am not a member of ALAC or the ERALO Baord, just a ALS but I would be ready and interested to liase ALAC to the Presidents Strategy Committee
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Hi Nick I am happy to be part of IDNs and IPv4 to IPv6 Migration WGs. In addition, I am willing to make contributes to SSAC, GNSO or ICANN Board Liaison. Desiree -- Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them:
IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).> Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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Desiree, this is great; you can find the information on these and all the other working groups, as well as the signups for the email lists, at https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?at_large_policy_working_groups On 9 Jul 2007, at 22:20, Desiree Miloshevic wrote:
Hi Nick
I am happy to be part of IDNs and IPv4 to IPv6 Migration WGs.
In addition, I am willing to make contributes to SSAC, GNSO or ICANN Board Liaison.
Desiree --
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them:
IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Vittorio: 2 Work plan We could specifically ask all ALSes to suggest the three most important ICANN-related issues that they see, for example. Also, some of us should participate in the ALAC working groups on various issues, that are going to start working soon.
Wolfgang:
Vittorio, this is a good proposal I support this.
Vittorio:
** We could meet in Geneva on the first weekend in September preceding > the next open consultation of the IGF. ** We could meet in mid October in Warsaw at Wolfgang's > Studienkreismeeting (Oct. 10/11).> Wolfgang: As said in an earlier mail this is an offer. Formally the EURALO Board has to make a decision and, if it comes to funding, formulate a request to Nick. Nick told me that no request has arrived so far and his argument was, that EURALO had already its regional funding in Lisbon. I told him that in Lisbon, there was no EURALO Board and it would be useful for the Board members, to have at least one F2F meeting before LA.
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I am willing to contribute to the IPv4-IPv6 WG as well as th IDN WG. Patrick Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
In deciding on a work plan, could I remind everyone that the following working groups currently NEED at least one person from Europe on them:
IDNs WHOIS Registrant / Registrar Relations IPv4 to IPv6 Migration
Also important European contributions are needed in:
GNSO Liaison ICANN Board Liaison ccNSO Liaison President's Strategy Committee Liaison SSAC Liaison
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Hi Jeanette and all, It is indeed time for the board to move forward in selecting its officers. It is unfortunate this has not happened earlier. This is one of the reasons I think it would be a bad idea to wait longer. I am with Nick that there needs to be a teleconference at the earliest convenience of the board members. Postponing that to a face to face meeting, where possibly only some of the board members and/or ALSes will be able to attend, is not a good idea, IMHO. My personal opinion on the role of the board is that it can only be coordinative at this stage. An initializing role would require more investment in time and energy from the board members. My feeling is that people have other priorities right now and cannot afford to spend much time on the Euralo, if the past two months are any indication. As to the work plan, I guess this is mostly driven by the ALAC agenda. I suggest our representatives to the ALAC draft a detailed plan of which issues are at hand, deadlines for position statements, etc. In order to avoid having only the opinion of the 6 or 7 people participating in this list, I also suggest to use an online polling system to identify the opinon of ALSes. Best Patrick
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Desiree Miloshevic -
Dr. Christoph Bruch -
Jeanette Hofmann -
Kleinwächter, Wolfgang -
Nick Ashton-Hart -
Patrick Vande Walle -
Roberto Gaetano -
Rudi Vansnick -
Vittorio Bertola -
William Drake -
Wolf Ludwig