EURALO thematic priorities from Lisbon GA
Dear all, as announced last week, attached please find a list of *EURALO's thematic priorities* as discussed and defined in Lisbon under our Agenda item C 11. with 5 key topics where we may provide special expertise and follow-up on the ALAC level. Please note that the listing of names under each topic is preliminary and incomplete according TMK of particular personal and ALS specialization. Please add your names wherever you want to contribute in case of EURALO inputs needed – Thanks! This list may serve as an Annex / Amendum for the Lisbon GA minutes to be considered -- and once completed with more names to be added to our Workspace. Thanks and regards, Wolf EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig
Dear Wolf, Staff will add to the GA wiki along with the Minutes to be sent by Jordi. Kind regards, Silvia Silvia Vivanco Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (202) 570-7119 Fax: +1 (202) 789-0104 Cell/Mobile: +1 (202) 735-7011 -----Original Message----- From: Wolf Ludwig [mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 7:32 PM To: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Jordi Iparraguirre Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Annette Mühlberg; Oliver Passek Subject: EURALO thematic priorities from Lisbon GA Dear all, as announced last week, attached please find a list of *EURALO's thematic priorities* as discussed and defined in Lisbon under our Agenda item C 11. with 5 key topics where we may provide special expertise and follow-up on the ALAC level. Please note that the listing of names under each topic is preliminary and incomplete according TMK of particular personal and ALS specialization. Please add your names wherever you want to contribute in case of EURALO inputs needed – Thanks! This list may serve as an Annex / Amendum for the Lisbon GA minutes to be considered -- and once completed with more names to be added to our Workspace. Thanks and regards, Wolf EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig
Thanks Wolf for the document! A) I have integrated the information into the minutes of the last EURALO Board Meeting. As I haven't got any other remarks and the gaps are now filled I consider the minutes to be final, anyway Oksana has leaked them to the public list already yesterday. Please find the minutes of the EURALO Board Meeting at June 20th in Lisbon here: https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/EURALO+2013.06.20+Board+Meeting B) I see a lot of addresses in CC of this mail - Jordi, Oliver, Annette and Staff - are they not subscribed to EURO-Discuss? This would be important to know, to include them whenever needed. C) I'd like to encourage all of you to rather use the Wiki for the creation of such documents and better send a link, than a docx file attached to a mail. C.1) it's much easier to edit collaboratively - sending edited files and later integrating changes is a nightmare C.2) many of us can't read the attachments, may it because they are using free software and docx is a proprietary format or because they are reading their mails on the go on mobile devices C.3) double work writing and sending the file first, later copying to the wiki anyway I know that not everything can be published on the wiki right away but I want to encourage it wherever it makes sense. It really helps a lot to get people to collaborate. Regards, Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hallo, Am 25.06.2013 09:30, schrieb Manuel Schneider:
C.2) many of us can't read the attachments, may it because they are using free software and docx is a proprietary format or because they are reading their mails on the go on mobile devices
When I'm traveling, I'm always able to read attachments, but I'm not so often able to read the wiki. The proprietary format docx should be readable with free software. It is readeable with LibreOffice (at my laptop) and with Kingsoft Office on my Android-Smartphone. :-) Kine Regards, Werner - -- Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann - - Mitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. - - - Anerkannter Datenschutzsachverständiger* - Expert for legal and technical evaluations for the European Privacy Seal (EuroPriSe)** Alt-Tempelhof 13 - D-12099 Berlin Mobil: 0179 / 14 28 594 - FAX: 030 / 25 20 99 93 E-Mail: huelsmann@datenschutzverein.org Blog: http://extdsb.info http://www.datenschutzverein.de *) "Beim Unabhängigen Landeszentrum für Datenschutz Schleswig-Holstein anerkannter Sachverständiger für IT-Produkte (rechtlich und technisch)" sowie Mitglied der Deutschen Sachverständigen-Gesellschaft **) <http://www.european-privacy-seal.eu/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRyZUeAAoJEGF1IJWIbX7a4ykH/RBXo2taW715zaPO3ByH4VXd 3IM0YAJRjitn6mc/9w8xo72+pbRryC1TjHWh+99mkS9VW/T0EMr+7xdiPFXPocMn QgqONHrdILv3MdKIlNShfTaogAbTigWjyh2uw1FQdTILdwTYNU70LdJZVlYhqEhi X2J/dyjnsrZaqll2GNwAyXrmzBEmyczaQZeLsgDAJ+zdtEp1DO8ELJPUuNhoJ+k6 AVf9DFfSIHndrcrlOJQFQimpQRhEASKU5XiSme2Q84rhP3iSDjow8rVaS8Z4zneg opkt5Zi3jemPaDvslqYU6Fl/8SwRFSmhZrD+fo0Phj6zoi8kPCgBra9d2B7vbLo= =0eJc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi Wolf Nice seeing you and everyone in Lisbon. Just one question: I see you've put me down in a net neutrality group. It's an important topic of course, but I don't quite see it as an ICANN matter in the first instance. Ditto open access, accessibility and inclusion. Did you have something specific in mind in relation to our mandate that I'm missing? Personally, rather than drilling down into any one substantive policy area, I would rather allocate my At Large bandwidth to the general state of noncommercial/civil society participation and inputs within our vaunted multistakeholder system. Here I could see synergies with not only the larger At Large and ALAC but also NCSG and its constituencies as well. I'd argue there's a growing need for work on that given the new gTLD program, resurgent GAC, the bypassing of the community policy processes and unilateral staff/board actions, etc. Best, Bill On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as announced last week, attached please find a list of *EURALO's thematic priorities* as discussed and defined in Lisbon under our Agenda item C 11. with 5 key topics where we may provide special expertise and follow-up on the ALAC level.
Please note that the listing of names under each topic is preliminary and incomplete according TMK of particular personal and ALS specialization. Please add your names wherever you want to contribute in case of EURALO inputs needed – Thanks!
This list may serve as an Annex / Amendum for the Lisbon GA minutes to be considered -- and once completed with more names to be added to our Workspace.
Thanks and regards, Wolf
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
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Hi Bill, thanks for your feedback. Please find my remarks inserted below. William Drake wrote Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:07 (...)
Just one question: I see you've put me down in a net neutrality group. It's an important topic of course, but I don't quite see it as an ICANN matter in the first instance. Ditto open access, accessibility and inclusion. Did you have something specific in mind in relation to our mandate that I'm missing?
(Wolf) Well, as you may recall from our Lisbon GA last Wednesday, under agenda item C 10 - 12, we discussed "EURALO assessment and functioning" and definition of thematic priorities where EURALO can provide special expertise and may assure follow-up. Usually, we are asked by ICANN and ALAC to provide our regional advice on all sorts of issues where we are often not specialized. And when we discuss options for a better involvement and participation at ALAC, I think it's reasonable to ask our members in a bottom-up manner what *their* thematic priorities are. As a (first) outcome of this discussion last Wednesday, we listed and approved these 5 regional priorities -- while you were in the room to my memory.
Personally, rather than drilling down into any one substantive policy area, I would rather allocate my At Large bandwidth to the general state of noncommercial/civil society participation and inputs within our vaunted multistakeholder system. Here I could see synergies with not only the larger At Large and ALAC but also NCSG and its constituencies as well. I'd argue there's a growing need for work on that given the new gTLD program, resurgent GAC, the bypassing of the community policy processes and unilateral staff/board actions, etc.
(Wolf) The listing of names under each topic is "preliminary and incomplete" (as I mentioned below) and nobody is captured for anything, and I will put off your name. You can use and allocate your At-Large bandwidth for anything you consider appropriate -- as you said above. Best, Wolf
On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as announced last week, attached please find a list of *EURALO's thematic priorities* as discussed and defined in Lisbon under our Agenda item C 11. with 5 key topics where we may provide special expertise and follow-up on the ALAC level.
Please note that the listing of names under each topic is preliminary and incomplete according TMK of particular personal and ALS specialization. Please add your names wherever you want to contribute in case of EURALO inputs needed – Thanks!
This list may serve as an Annex / Amendum for the Lisbon GA minutes to be considered -- and once completed with more names to be added to our Workspace.
Thanks and regards, Wolf
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig<EURALO-thematic-priorities2013.docx>_______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss
Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
********************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake@uzh.ch www.williamdrake.org ***********************************************************
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One quick comment to the thematic priorities: We should be as flexible as possible. On the one hand - and here I support Bill - we have to understand and accept that we are constituency WITHIN ICANN and we are insofar part of ICANNs limited technical manadate, dealing primarily with (political, legal, social, economic and other) issues related to the management of critical Internet ressources. On the other hand, we are a unique combination and gathering of European Internet related civil society organisations and the potentail of EURALO could go also beyond its limited mandate. With other words, EURALO could also function as the civil society arm of EURODIG which has a much broader mandate. However we have to be very careful in make distinction when we act purely as an ICANN constituency and when we go beyond the basic mandate. We could establish a special EURALO EURODIG Working Group which could deal with non-ICANN issues as net neutrality, cloud computing, internet of things and human rights in a more general understanding (not restricted to WHOIS and TLDs). wolfgang ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Wolf Ludwig Gesendet: Mi 26.06.2013 00:38 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Oliver Passek; At-Large Staff; Annette Mühlberg Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO thematic priorities from Lisbon GA Hi Bill, thanks for your feedback. Please find my remarks inserted below. William Drake wrote Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:07 (...)
Just one question: I see you've put me down in a net neutrality group. It's an important topic of course, but I don't quite see it as an ICANN matter in the first instance. Ditto open access, accessibility and inclusion. Did you have something specific in mind in relation to our mandate that I'm missing?
(Wolf) Well, as you may recall from our Lisbon GA last Wednesday, under agenda item C 10 - 12, we discussed "EURALO assessment and functioning" and definition of thematic priorities where EURALO can provide special expertise and may assure follow-up. Usually, we are asked by ICANN and ALAC to provide our regional advice on all sorts of issues where we are often not specialized. And when we discuss options for a better involvement and participation at ALAC, I think it's reasonable to ask our members in a bottom-up manner what *their* thematic priorities are. As a (first) outcome of this discussion last Wednesday, we listed and approved these 5 regional priorities -- while you were in the room to my memory.
Personally, rather than drilling down into any one substantive policy area, I would rather allocate my At Large bandwidth to the general state of noncommercial/civil society participation and inputs within our vaunted multistakeholder system. Here I could see synergies with not only the larger At Large and ALAC but also NCSG and its constituencies as well. I'd argue there's a growing need for work on that given the new gTLD program, resurgent GAC, the bypassing of the community policy processes and unilateral staff/board actions, etc.
(Wolf) The listing of names under each topic is "preliminary and incomplete" (as I mentioned below) and nobody is captured for anything, and I will put off your name. You can use and allocate your At-Large bandwidth for anything you consider appropriate -- as you said above. Best, Wolf
On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as announced last week, attached please find a list of *EURALO's thematic priorities* as discussed and defined in Lisbon under our Agenda item C 11. with 5 key topics where we may provide special expertise and follow-up on the ALAC level.
Please note that the listing of names under each topic is preliminary and incomplete according TMK of particular personal and ALS specialization. Please add your names wherever you want to contribute in case of EURALO inputs needed - Thanks!
This list may serve as an Annex / Amendum for the Lisbon GA minutes to be considered -- and once completed with more names to be added to our Workspace.
Thanks and regards, Wolf
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org <http://euralo.org/>
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********************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake@uzh.ch www.williamdrake.org ***********************************************************
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Dear Wolfgang, I fully support this your proposition (I would like only to underline once again the importance of being in close tie with Council of Europe Group of Experts, so maybe it would be better to call this group EURALO EuroDIG/CoE WG). So, now we have three propositions for Working Groups: - EURALO EuroDIG(/CoE) WG; - EURALO By-laws Review WG; - EURALO Capacity/Team Building WG. Best regards, Oksana On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:51 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
One quick comment to the thematic priorities:
We should be as flexible as possible.
On the one hand - and here I support Bill - we have to understand and accept that we are constituency WITHIN ICANN and we are insofar part of ICANNs limited technical manadate, dealing primarily with (political, legal, social, economic and other) issues related to the management of critical Internet ressources.
On the other hand, we are a unique combination and gathering of European Internet related civil society organisations and the potentail of EURALO could go also beyond its limited mandate. With other words, EURALO could also function as the civil society arm of EURODIG which has a much broader mandate. However we have to be very careful in make distinction when we act purely as an ICANN constituency and when we go beyond the basic mandate.
We could establish a special EURALO EURODIG Working Group which could deal with non-ICANN issues as net neutrality, cloud computing, internet of things and human rights in a more general understanding (not restricted to WHOIS and TLDs).
wolfgang
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Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Wolf Ludwig Gesendet: Mi 26.06.2013 00:38 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Oliver Passek; At-Large Staff; Annette Mühlberg Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURALO thematic priorities from Lisbon GA
Hi Bill,
thanks for your feedback. Please find my remarks inserted below.
William Drake wrote Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:07 (...)
Just one question: I see you've put me down in a net neutrality group. It's an important topic of course, but I don't quite see it as an ICANN matter in the first instance. Ditto open access, accessibility and inclusion. Did you have something specific in mind in relation to our mandate that I'm missing?
(Wolf) Well, as you may recall from our Lisbon GA last Wednesday, under agenda item C 10 - 12, we discussed "EURALO assessment and functioning" and definition of thematic priorities where EURALO can provide special expertise and may assure follow-up. Usually, we are asked by ICANN and ALAC to provide our regional advice on all sorts of issues where we are often not specialized. And when we discuss options for a better involvement and participation at ALAC, I think it's reasonable to ask our members in a bottom-up manner what *their* thematic priorities are. As a (first) outcome of this discussion last Wednesday, we listed and approved these 5 regional priorities -- while you were in the room to my memory.
Personally, rather than drilling down into any one substantive policy area, I would rather allocate my At Large bandwidth to the general state of noncommercial/civil society participation and inputs within our vaunted multistakeholder system. Here I could see synergies with not only the larger At Large and ALAC but also NCSG and its constituencies as well. I'd argue there's a growing need for work on that given the new gTLD program, resurgent GAC, the bypassing of the community policy processes and unilateral staff/board actions, etc.
(Wolf) The listing of names under each topic is "preliminary and incomplete" (as I mentioned below) and nobody is captured for anything, and I will put off your name. You can use and allocate your At-Large bandwidth for anything you consider appropriate -- as you said above.
Best, Wolf
On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:31 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net>
wrote:
Dear all,
as announced last week, attached please find a list of *EURALO's thematic priorities* as discussed and defined in Lisbon under our Agenda item C 11. with 5 key topics where we may provide special expertise and follow-up on the ALAC level.
Please note that the listing of names under each topic is preliminary and incomplete according TMK of particular personal and ALS specialization. Please add your names wherever you want to contribute in case of EURALO inputs needed - Thanks!
This list may serve as an Annex / Amendum for the Lisbon GA minutes to be considered -- and once completed with more names to be added to our Workspace.
Thanks and regards, Wolf
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org <http://euralo.org/>
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********************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake@uzh.ch www.williamdrake.org ***********************************************************
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I agree with Bill. Euralo is a creature of ICANN and should focus on issues within ICANN's remit: IP address allocation on a global level, gTLDs and security and stability of the DNS. Net neutrality in the context of ICANN does not mean much, if anything at all. I agree net neutrality, accessibility, etc are all very important topics. They are just not relevant to ICANN. I would go one step further and suggest to not hijack the resources that ICANN allocates to Euralo to discuss non-ICANN related issues. This should be taken to other mailing lists, wikis, etc, hosted elsewhere. Patrick On 25/06/13 10:07, William Drake wrote:
Hi Wolf
Nice seeing you and everyone in Lisbon.
Just one question: I see you've put me down in a net neutrality group. It's an important topic of course, but I don't quite see it as an ICANN matter in the first instance. Ditto open access, accessibility and inclusion. Did you have something specific in mind in relation to our mandate that I'm missing?
Personally, rather than drilling down into any one substantive policy area, I would rather allocate my At Large bandwidth to the general state of noncommercial/civil society participation and inputs within our vaunted multistakeholder system. Here I could see synergies with not only the larger At Large and ALAC but also NCSG and its constituencies as well. I'd argue there's a growing need for work on that given the new gTLD program, resurgent GAC, the bypassing of the community policy processes and unilateral staff/board actions, etc.
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Il Mar, 25 Giugno 2013 1:31 am, Wolf Ludwig ha scritto:
Dear all,
as announced last week, attached please find a list of *EURALO's thematic priorities* as discussed and defined in Lisbon under our Agenda item C 11. with 5 key topics where we may provide special expertise and follow-up on the ALAC level.
Please note that the listing of names under each topic is preliminary and incomplete according TMK of particular personal and ALS specialization. Please add your names wherever you want to contribute in case of EURALO inputs needed – Thanks!
This list may serve as an Annex / Amendum for the Lisbon GA minutes to be considered -- and once completed with more names to be added to our Workspace.
Can I join the privacy and consumer concern groups? I can't guarantee much participation but I'd like to try. Ciao -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> now blogging & more at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" -
"W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" -
EMP -
Manuel Schneider -
Patrick Vande Walle -
Silvia Vivanco -
Vittorio Bertola -
William Drake -
Wolf Ludwig