Dear all, first of all my apologises for not responding earlier due to urgent professional obligations. Regarding the questions raised on the EuroDIG issue by Vittorio, Patrick, Nick, Wolfgang and Jefsey I would like to explain about the context: I think we all agree that EURALO’s first Board meeting and GA in June in Paris was as important as encouraging for our RALO and we all agreed and promised to start with more dynamic and commitment into our second year. In Paris we discussed and approved the basics of a EURALO working programme 08-09 and part of this discussion were options of regional outreach. In this context we already noted the next “ICANN-Studienkreis meeting” organised for the 3rd time already by Wolfgang – what is due to happen this time in September 08 in Helsinki offering excellent opportunities for EURALO’s outreach in parts of Europe where we are not present or represented by ALSes yet. This option was also considered in our working budget for the coming year BTW. In several, perhaps more “informal” discussions among Board members we discussed other outreach opportunities like the one proposed by Rudi and Frans to use the coming anniversary of ISOC Belgium in October for a EURALO side event and outreach activity – what will be further verified and confirmed by Rudi and Frans. Besides this, Annette, Wolfgang and I participated in informal discussions on the idea having a regional/European IGF organised in autumn, possibly before the next official IGF in December 08 in Hyderabad/India – what could be just another good opportunity for a EURALO outreach. As we are all aware, unfortunately we do not have any budget means at our disposal so far (except the good intentions stated in our working programme and budget ;-) to organise special and outreach-related events ourselves – what I would highly appreciate (!). Therefore the easiest or pragmatic way to do outreach is using opportunities and fora organised by or in collaboration with other Internet and subject related organisations. The idea of EuroDIG we (the three members mentioned above and others) discussed in Paris advanced over the last four weeks thanks to the dynamic of some members of the working group (like Wolfgang and others). The date and the location (Strasbourg) are fixed but the programme, supporters and participants is still work in progress. As the draft programme comprises issues like openess, security and privacy etc., I think, these are relevant or even obvious concerns among Internet users and is therefore part of our mandate. By taking part with Annette and Wolfgang in the preparatory group I didn’t want to create any established facts – if that impression occurs, I want to apologize. But I am still in favour of using the few opportunities and foras we may get for EURALO’s outreach, enlargement of contacts and networking. I hope that Board members may agree with the given considerations and I appreciate any further comments. Best regards, Wolf JFC Morfin wrote Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:27:
At 15:57 21/07/2008, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
This is an open invitation. U guess EURALO would miss a chance not to use this as an opportunity for outreach. Amd it is very close to EURALOS core business at least the third session on the second day.
This is a obviously in the Internet @large core of interest, if may be not in the sub-GNSO restricted ALAC area. For the International Network lead-users @larges are : Security, Privacy, Openess and Critical Internet Resources are subjects of key interest. Another important issue, which will obviously be underlaying is the Post-JPA/IIC issue. jfc
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I am not so sure it is a good thing. According to the posted program, only one workshop is clearly within the mandate of Euralo, and another may be related insofar it would focus on ICANN related issues.
This looks like yet another IG talking shop. I may be wrong, of course. I would like to hear from those who put forward Euralo's name (without consultation) what exactly are the expected returns WRT Euralo's business. I would very much prefer to see Euralo's scarce resources focused on our core business.
Patrick
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:49:22 +0200, Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu> wrote:
http://www.guarder.net/eurodig_php/index.php?site=organisation_network
It's actually a good thing, but I was a bit surprised - when did we decide to organize this thing? Is it possible to know more about this event? It might be interesting to have a session specifically related to users.
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Hi Wolf, On 7/24/08 7:22 PM, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
impression occurs, I want to apologize. But I am still in favour of using the few opportunities and foras we may get for EURALO¹s outreach, enlargement of contacts and networking.
I hope that Board members may agree with the given
considerations and I appreciate any further comments.
Best regards, Wolf Ok, then here's two centimes: While Euralo is part of and focused on the ICANN nexus, it doesn't seem inappropriate to me to simply lend our name in support of useful external dialogues that involve significant ICANN-related components. Assuming the events in question are substantively reasonable and organized by non-problematic parties, this seems a low risk opportunity to do much needed outreach. However, I'm sure you would agree that in the future such matters should be discussed and agreed first, per standard practice, right? Cheers, Bill
At 21:13 24/07/2008, William Drake wrote:
Hi Wolf, On 7/24/08 7:22 PM, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
impression occurs, I want to apologize. But I am still in favour of using the few opportunities and foras we may get for EURALO¹s outreach, enlargement of contacts and networking.
I hope that Board members may agree with the given
considerations and I appreciate any further comments.
Best regards, Wolf
I agree with William here. france@large has itself made protected the EuroIGF.eu domain names and keeps them avaiable to the benefit of the European Digital Ecosystem members in the ways that will emerge as the most appropriate. This kind of things takes time and common thinking. When people think it is time for European ICANN @larges, non-ICANN European @larges, Consumer associations, business organizations, standardisation structures, regalian bodies to discuss such an Euro-IGF issues, we will willingly open a public mailing list. jfc
Ok, then here's two centimes: While Euralo is part of and focused on the ICANN nexus, it doesn't seem inappropriate to me to simply lend our name in support of useful external dialogues that involve significant ICANN-related components. Assuming the events in question are substantively reasonable and organized by non-problematic parties, this seems a low risk opportunity to do much needed outreach. However, I'm sure you would agree that in the future such matters should be discussed and agreed first, per standard practice, right?
Cheers,
Bill
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William Drake wrote Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:13: (...)
Assuming the events in question are substantively reasonable and organized by non-problematic parties, this seems a low risk opportunity to do much needed outreach. However, I'm sure you would agree that in the future such matters should be discussed and agreed first, per standard practice, right?
Agreed and promised! Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net Digitale Allemd http://blog.allmend.ch - EURALO https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:55:18 +0200, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
William Drake wrote Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:13: (...)
Assuming the events in question are substantively reasonable and organized by non-problematic parties, this seems a low risk opportunity to do much needed outreach. However, I'm sure you would agree that in the future such matters should be discussed and agreed first, per standard practice, right?
Agreed and promised!
Whatever was done is done. Trying to go forward, we need several things to make this a successful event for Euralo: - A clear document stating a consensus opinion of Euralo on the issues that will be discussed. This could be a bullet point list, and would be used as a framework by our representative. - Select who is going to wear the "euralo hat" at this meeting. I think it is important that whoever goes there on behalf of Euralo is clearly identifiable as such. Of course, this should not prevent ALS representatives to participate in their own capacity, with their own positions. The rationale is that it may be difficult to identify what Euralo positions are if carried by someone wearing several hats. - The usual litterature: flyers, etc. Important for outreach to non-ICANN insiders. Patrick
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