In the papers produced by this Group we can call it "GNSO Liaison to the GAC". The notion "reverse liaison" is a handy generic word for the GAC to refer to liaisons from other organizations to the GAC without naming all organizations that have appointed one. Regards, Gema De: gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org] En nombre de Manal Ismail Enviado el: martes, 21 de enero de 2014 9:56 Para: Ana Neves; Mike O'Connor CC: gac-gnso-cg@icann.org Asunto: Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] Charter - Final version .. In the same context, I want to bring to colleagues' attention the last 2 bullets under the title 'Critical Success Factors' of the charter .. They state: - Agree on a follow-up mechanism and success measures - Maintain a channel to provide feedback to further enhance the process and document those changes whenever applicable Both points are relevant to post-implementation assessment, which I believe is a bit early to decide before agreeing on cooperation mechanisms .. On another note, I would like to grasp the opportunity to make another minor comment on the charter .. I have the feeling that the term 'reverse liaison' is difficult to understand 'reverse to what', unless you have the necessary background: - there used to be a GAC liaison to the GNSO - the model had its own challenges - one suggestion is, to try having a reverse liaison, from the GNSO to the GAC So if colleagues acknowledge the challenge, I suggest we have this resolved simply by: - either writing 'GNSO Liaison to the GAC', without the quotations, before the first occurrence of 'reverse liaison' - or have a footnote at the first occurrence of 'reverse liaison', stating background information along the lines of the above 3 bullets Hope this makes sense .. Kind Regards --Manal -----Original Message----- From: gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Manal Ismail Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:29 PM To: Ana Neves; Mike O'Connor Cc: gac-gnso-cg@icann.org<mailto:gac-gnso-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] Charter - Final version .. Many thanks Mikey for the reminder .. Like Ana, I see the merit behind the 'middle ground' option, which implies some further commitment to ensure that our set of recommendations works well in practice .. Yet, I see this more of a solution aspect rather than a charter one .. I like the current focused mandate, limited timeline and suggested milestones as stated in the charter .. When we come to compiling our recommendations, we can then include one that stresses the need for post-implementation assessment and fine tuning .. This assessment can be done by this consultation group, a smaller group, a totally new one, a mix of old and new members or any other options as agreed by then .. Looking forward to hearing what other colleagues think .. Kind Regards --Manal -----Original Message----- From: Ana Neves [mailto:Ana.Neves@fct.pt] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:21 PM To: Mike O'Connor Cc: Manal Ismail; gac-gnso-cg@icann.org<mailto:gac-gnso-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] Charter - Final version .. Thanks, Mikey. I world be in favour to the "middle ground" proposal for the timeline as it would allow,?as you well said, a post-implementation assessment. What we're trying to build here is not an easy task and could be very useful to follow the process at least for 2 years. My humble opinion at this stage... Best, Ana Sent from my iPhone On 20/01/2014, at 13:01, "Mike O'Connor" <mike@haven2.com<mailto:mike@haven2.com<mailto:mike@haven2.com%3cmailto:mike@haven2.com>>> wrote: there's one thing i forgot to add to that draft. we had a discussion about how long this committee should last. an idea came to me this morning that would represent a middle option between two extremes. short extreme - we wrap up after our recommendations have been accepted by the GAC and the GNSO middle ground - we wrap up after our recommendations have gone through a post-implementation assessment (1-2 years out) long extreme - we continue on as a standing committee i think part of the reason i forgot to add this to the "timeline" section is because i wasn't clear what our view was - so maybe we could have a quick discussion about this on the list before the meeting tomorrow? mikey On Jan 20, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Manal Ismail <manal@tra.gov.eg<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg%3cmailto:manal@tra.gov.eg>>> wrote: Many thanks Mikey !! We, Jonathan and I, have added the signing off of the charter to tomorrow's conference call agenda, which I will be circulating shortly .. Hope everyone will be ready to adopt the charter by then .. Kind Regards --Manal From: Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike@haven2.com] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:07 PM To: Manal Ismail; Marika Konings Cc: gac-gnso-cg@icann.org<mailto:gac-gnso-cg@icann.org<mailto:gac-gnso-cg@icann.org%3cmailto:gac-gnso-cg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] Charter - Final version .. hi all, oops - i didn't structure the action items in my notes from our last call very well, so i didn't put a trigger in there reminding myself to update and circulate the draft. here's a draft for people to review, based on the notes from that call. my mistake, sorry about that. mikey PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com<http://www.haven2.com<http://www.haven2.com%3chttp:/www.haven2.com>>, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.) _______________________________________________ Gac-gnso-cg mailing list Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org<mailto:Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org<mailto:Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org%3cmailto:Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gac-gnso-cg _______________________________________________ Gac-gnso-cg mailing list Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org<mailto:Gac-gnso-cg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gac-gnso-cg