Hi Amy, transition is just as bad. There simply is no reason why a termination of a privacy service provider would necessitate or even justify a registrar transfer. Requiring registrar coordination does not help either. The registrant expects to find the domain names he owns in the user account with the provider he chose, not with another registrar he has no agreement with, has not provided payment details to. etc. You are creating a nightmare for registrars and registrants alike, with no justification from anything the WG decided. Oh, and the fees need to go! Best, Volker Am 06.08.2018 um 09:53 schrieb gtheo:
Hi Amy,
Correct me if I am wrong, but does that imply the proposed fees are based on the onboarding, but there are no details regarding the operational costs?
Thanks,
Theo
Amy Bivins schreef op 2018-08-03 07:34 PM:
Thanks, Sara and Theo for your feedback on this.
I'm working on some proposed edits to this document based on your feedback--once I can discuss with Legal I'll have an updated draft for you. I hope to be able to send a draft to the list next week.
To start, we're planning to change the word "transfer" to "transition" and to explicitly require coordination with the registrar as a necessary step for a bulk transition. We're also taking another look at notice requirements where a registrar is not involved in the facilitation of a bulk transfer, in which case a customer might need to transfer out if the customer wishes to transition to a new PP service provider.
Theo, regarding your comments on the fees proposal, the activities listed as contributors to ongoing expected program costs (one of the 3 elements that fed into the proposed fees determination) were not itemized the way they were for the application phase (this would require a broader analysis).
Thanks, all, and have a great weekend.
Amy
-----Original Message----- From: Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl [mailto:gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sara Bockey Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:31 AM To: gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] [Ext] Re: Updated PP De-Accreditation Procedure Document Attached for IRT review
Again. Agree with Theo. Use of the word “transfer” is confusing and problematic. We need to be able to reassign the service, contract with a new provider. Actual transfers would seem to be a dead last option. We don’t want to penalize the customer just because the P/P service changes.
Sara
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On Jul 31, 2018, at 1:39 AM, gtheo <gtheo@xs4all.nl> wrote:
I think the word transfer is somewhat confusing or does not meet the objective or can cause results that are not wanted.
I can imagine a reseller using privacy provider X. Privacy Provider X merges or hands over the business to Privacy Provider ABC.
The most logical path is that the reseller updates the domain names to the details of Privacy Provider ABC.
Transfering the domain names in bulk or through an inter-registrar transfer to the registrar of privacy provider ABC could be not wanted for various reasons. Reseller has to implement a new API with the new registrar. Billing issues. The new registrar may lack features key critical to the reseller at the current registrar. Etc the list is long.
A bulk transfer at a registry level, poorly communicated could create chaos.
Regarding the fees. The fee document seems to have two major components. Program Startup and Application Processing Here are all the costs listed.
Then there is the; Ongoing Accreditation Program Maintenance Here are no fees listed. Are the fees of the ongoing program maintenance listed in the program startup and application processing?
For example, Complaint processing is listed as ongoing. What are those costs? Or can I simply exclude them as those costs are not taken into account? How does that work? I think it is relevant as I expect complaint processing cannot be compared to the current situation in case of a registrar.
Thanks! Theo
Sara Bockey schreef op 2018-07-30 10:31 PM:
Apologies for weighing in late here, but I agree with Theo. I'm not understanding why the registrar would need to change per se. I also can imagine a scenario where a privacy provider (or registrar) reaches an agreement with another privacy provider to provide privacy. In fact, I think this would be the most likely option we would want - allow the registrar to contract with a new provider. Sara sara bockey sr. policy manager | GoDaddy™ sbockey@godaddy.com 480-366-3616 skype: sbockey This email message and any attachments hereto is intended for use only by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message and its attachments. On 7/26/18, 10:23 AM, "Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl on behalf of Theo Geurts" <gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces@icann.org on behalf of gtheo@xs4all.nl> wrote: Hi Amy, If it is supposed to address both situations, isn't it somewhat odd a privacy provider can order a bulk transfer to another privacy provider at another registrar? I can imagine a scenario where a privacy provider reaches an agreement with another privacy provider to update all the domain names to one privacy provider. But to transfer domain names in bulk in the above scenario, does that benefit the registrant? I think it could create total chaos and disruption of services. Or is the above scenario unthinkable and am I chasing ghosts here? Thanks, Theo On 26-7-2018 15:03, Amy Bivins wrote: > Hi Theo, > > Thanks for your feedback. > > This was drafted to try to accommodate both types of situations, though, practically speaking, it seems probable that in most cases this would often involve an inter-registrar transfer. > > There's nothing explicit in the document that would require obtaining consent from the registrar to a provider-provider bulk transfer under the same registrar. Do you (and others) think this should be an explicit requirement? > > Best, > Amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: gtheo [mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 4:54 AM > To: gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org > Cc: Amy Bivins <amy.bivins@icann.org> > Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] Updated PP De-Accreditation Procedure Document Attached for IRT review > > Hi Any, et al, > > 4.4 Voluntary Bulk Transfers, are we talking "transfers" from one privacy provider to another, or can a privacy provider request a transfer of all the domain names that are being used by a privacy provider at a registrar to another privacy provider at another registrar? > I am somewhat struggling here with what we want to achieve and what a privacy provider can do here. > > I think in all cases when a privacy provider requests a bulk transfer the sponsoring registrar has to agree also? > > Thanks, > > Theo > > > > Amy Bivins schreef op 2018-07-25 03:37 PM: >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> Attached you will find a new draft of the PP De-accreditation and >> transition procedure, updated based on IRT feedback and our final >> (prior to public comment) internal review. If you have any further >> questions or comments on this document, please send them to the list. >> >> We're nearly finished with the final editing/review process for the >> applicant guide and fees document, as well (there will be copy edits >> but no significant substantive changes). I'll send those to the list >> as soon as they are complete, likely before the end of this week. >> >> Best, >> >> Amy >> >> AMY E. BIVINS >> >> Registrar Services and Engagement Senior Manager >> >> Registrar Services and Industry Relations >> >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> Direct: +1 (202) 249-7551 >> >> Fax: +1 (202) 789-0104 >> >> Email: amy.bivins@icann.org >> >> www.icann.org [1] >> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org&d=Dw >> ICAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=uerz4ckt1v4Qhbv-T >> plkjKTey9bgtdWrvLyZDu0mXuk&m=hoLHeBVkfOcUxl26F4OYnebcOzy-XUfRDXDSvGv8A >> vg&s=5TMUWmSpDbgeDaUkHtpmsyqhRhCEwWEKZSzPLqkJfwE&e= >> _______________________________________________ >> Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl mailing list >> Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl _______________________________________________ Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl mailing list Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl _______________________________________________ Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl mailing list Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl
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