Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 16 April 2015 at 13:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-16apr15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#a<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>pr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Petter Rindforth – IPC Justine Chew – Individual Sara Bockey – RrSG Peter Green – NCUC Wen Zhai - RySG Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Pascal Haddad - Individual Ubolthip Sethakaset – GAC Peter Dernbach - IPC ICANN Staff Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 16 April 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration PDP Working Group on Thursday, 16 April 2015. Chris Dillon:Hello all! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello everyone! Sara Bockey:good morning...or good evening as the case may be Wen Zhai:Good evening! Lars Hoffmann:hello everybody. Jim Galvin:Jim listening via computer. On hold with the phone. Jim Galvin:Now on the call. Nathalie Peregrine:Rudi Vansnick has joined the call Pascal Haddad:Hello all Lars Hoffmann:i am trying to upload the document. but i am having issues with the ac room. one second. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Nathalie Peregrine:Peter Dernmbach has joined the call Rudi Vansnick:sorry being late, adobe connect troubling here Amr Elsadr:Apologies about being late. Just got off another call. Nathalie Peregrine:Chris, you now have control Nathalie Peregrine:Ubolthip Sethakaset has joined the call Amr Elsadr:Q25 can be addressed if this WG makes recommendations on what should be in scope of other PDPs. Justine Chew:@Chris, same goes for line 27: should be "response" rather than "comment"? Amr Elsadr:I believe this is also out of this PDP's scope. We should recommend it be picked up by another. Amr Elsadr:As something we've identified. Nathalie Peregrine:Peter Green ha sjoined he call Peter Green （CONAC）:Thank you， Nathalie, sorry for being late Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Had we discovered this early enought, we could have requested that the chartering organization (GNSO Council) add this as within scope of this PDP. Justine Chew:I agree that we should comment wherever possible., but in relation to line 36 there is a misconception that this WG is supposed to determine who should bear the burden of transformation. That's not the case, the remit of this WG to identify who should decide who should bear the burden. Jim Galvin:@Amr: interesting process discussion. Have to keep that in mind for future work. :-) Amr Elsadr:@Justine: +1. There is confusion on this. :) Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Sorry 'bout that. :) Justine Chew:Comment 38 is the same as comment 25. Amr Elsadr:Where are we right now? Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Sara Bockey:This goes to the "as many languages as possible" - so that is why no. Justine Chew:@Sara - I believe we are still grappling with "as many languages as possible". Amr Elsadr:This recommendation is specific to the field names, not the data in them. Amr Elsadr:Makes transformation much more straight forward. Sara Bockey:yes, once defined, it would be easier to agree Justine Chew:@Amr: +1 Amr Elsadr:@Lars: A lot of noise on your end. Rudi Vansnick:difference to be made : field names database <> field names in registartion application Lars Hoffmann:just wondering whether we could recommend to number the fields. and then have a fixed order ot field names. each number corresponding to one specific field. the lanuague would then not matter. Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Good point. Justine Chew:sounds complicaed Lars! Justine Chew:*complicated Rudi Vansnick:in general i think it is important to make clear field names we are considereing are not the ones in the apllication form (online registrar services) Jim Galvin:@Lars - that's an implementation choice. Justine Chew:@Jim: +1 Peter Dernbach:+1 @ Lars. Justine Chew:@Rudi: good point Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: In principle, I would leave the service provided by registrars in their own interface as their own decisions. No need to get into that. In any case, this is also related to tagging or identifying the fields, which should be part of the scope of another PDP. Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: agreed Amr Elsadr:This is the problem with the comment review tool. We only see things in pieces, not the whole picture. :) Amr Elsadr:@Justine: But agree that this is out of scope. :) Pascal Haddad:I prefer to write Pascal Haddad:because my mic is not working properly Pascal Haddad:so Pascal Haddad:for transliteration Pascal Haddad:I still think Pascal Haddad:that Pascal Haddad:the experience Pascal Haddad:done by Eruostat Pascal Haddad:for PAtent database of more than 80 countries Pascal Haddad:for transliteration Pascal Haddad:of names Pascal Haddad:and company names Pascal Haddad:can be used Pascal Haddad:https://www.ecoom.be/en/EEE-PPAT Pascal Haddad:pls check this link Petter Rindforth:Sorry, have to leave for another meeting. I'll file comments to the list. Justine Chew:I'm not objecting to us providing learned comments, I was inquiring after our approach to closely related comments (IMHO) then we should be consistently giving a proper response and not just say "outside our scope" to one comment but not to another closely related comment. Amr Elsadr:@Justine: Agreed. Chris Dillon:@Petter Thank you Justine Chew:Comment 54, 55, 56 are all operational issues? Rudi Vansnick:seems to me that i would not allow some one to translate my name without my consent ! Rudi Vansnick:i agree with Amr Pascal Haddad:I think there should be a recommended Pascal Haddad:transliteration Pascal Haddad:which can be edited Jim Galvin:@Amr +1 Amr Elsadr:"Want to use" indicates willingness, not a mandatory policy. Jim Galvin:Think about anti-abuse requirements. Could a registrant be called out because of a dubious transliteration? Amr Elsadr:Lets not forget that this entire policy is based on a desire to shift transaction costs from whois users to others. We can't recommend a half measure that may create liabilites for registrants or contracted parties. Pascal Haddad:I am sorry Pascal Haddad::) Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. Justine Chew:Thanks Chris. You better get going. Jim Galvin:bye all thanks Pascal Haddad:To you too Peter Dernbach:goodbye all Pascal Haddad:Thanks all Pascal Haddad:Bye Peter Green （CONAC）:Bye all