Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 26 February 2015 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-26feb15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Jennifer Chung – RySG Roger Carney – RrSG Peter Green – NCUC Sara Bockey – RrSG Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC Wanawit Ahkuputra - GAC Wen Zhai - RySG Apologies: Emily Taylor – RrSG Petter Rindforth – IPC Peter Dernbach- IPC Julie Hedlund - Staff ICANN staff: Howard Li Lars Hoffmann Glen de Saint Géry Gisella Gruber ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Glen Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 26 February 2015: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:็Hi all, Gisella Gruber:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration Contact Information PDP WG on Thursday 26 February 2015 at 1400 UTC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hi Hi :) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:somehow I cannot connect to the local Mic.only the dial up option available Chris Dillon:Hello Pitinan & Wanawit! Lars Hoffmann:hello all Chris Dillon:Hi Lars! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:ah need to try log in agian Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:brb Jennifer Chung:Hello everyone! Gisella Gruber:@ Pitinan - the mic has been enabled so you should be able to speak through your computer mic Glen de Saint Gery:Rudi will be late joining Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks :) I thought it was my mic problem for a while , thanks! Howard Li:I am on listen only mode Lars Hoffmann:@howard: would you like a dial out? Howard Li:this is Howard Li, ICANN Staff, Registrar Services Howard Li:I am OK on listen only mode Glen de Saint Gery:Apologies from Julie Hedlund as well Amr Elsadr:@Glen: Hope all's well with Julie. Amr Elsadr:Ah. Thanks. I'll check the wiki. Amr Elsadr:Is what we're looking at here an updated version? Jim Galvin:Jim is now on the call. Sorry to be late. Amr Elsadr:Can the document be desynched please? Lars Hoffmann:@amr - done Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Amr Elsadr::) Rudi Vansnick:welcome Jim and others of course ... sorry for myself being late Jim Galvin:The intent of the email address is to ensure contactability. Jim Galvin:However, there are practical issues, as you note Chris Peter Green (CONAC):Sorry for being late too, lose connectivity Rudi Vansnick:Amr: +1 Wen Zhai:I'm terribly sorry that i am late. Rudi Vansnick:no problem Wen, welcome anyway Wen Zhai:Good evening to everyone. Amr Elsadr:Hi Wen Zhai. Wen Zhai:Good evening Amr. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hi :) Amr Elsadr:Looks like the RrSG/RySG are also trying to shift the cost to some easy to us automated solution. :) Amr Elsadr:*easy to use Rudi Vansnick:easy to use not equal to quality which is important in the context of value of the data to third parties Amr Elsadr:Yes Rudi. Certainly. :) Rudi Vansnick:i would propose we clearly indicate there are free tools but without any guarantee Amr Elsadr:I believe the answer to question 50 is out of scope of this PDP. We're only chartered to determine wether it's desirable to transform, not how. Jim Galvin:+1 Amr Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 Amr for the translation part Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:but for the cost , i do think it's not really about fee, but the liabilities Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:i mean not only about fee, but also the liabilities Rudi Vansnick:@Pitinan : you're right ... fee is less critical then the translated value Jim Galvin:I think the issue the RrSG/RySG are getting at is the feasibility of doing it, which is mostly out of scope for us but I do think we get to speak to this issue generally. Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Agreed, but limiting our answer to why we believe it is desirable or not. Jennifer Chung:+1 Jim Amr Elsadr:@Pitinan: +1 Jim Galvin:A characteristic of "desirable" is whether or not it is feasible. Amr Elsadr:Yes, Jim. Absolutely. :) Jim Galvin:That's the level at which we get to speak to the question of "how". Amr Elsadr:That's what I meant in my response to Chris. :) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:for #51, I think 1. yes the validity translation will need people, at least for many years for now. 2. and the tranformed address need to be agreeed by the Data Owner --> registrant Sara Bockey:+1 Rudi Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 with Rudi, and +1 with Amr earlier with the focus on 'who should decide' Rudi Vansnick:maybe it is something we need to put in the beginning of our report information Rudi Vansnick:no comments ;-) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:I start to think it's really no point transforming. because:If we need it unofficially, then it could be easily transformed by free tool without guarantee. And If we need it officially, then we need the validated one, in whatever lanauge. Amr Elsadr:Was disconnected for a minute, but wanted to support Rudi's last comment. If a policy recommendation we make required contracted parties to send registrant contact data to 3rd parties conflicts with some local privacy laws, this might prove problematic. Another good reason why transformation may be undesirable. :) Amr Elsadr:Sending could also mean cross-boarder transfer of data. From jurisdictions with higher data privacy laws to others with lower ones. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 with Amr , interesting issue Amr Elsadr:This is an ongoing issue with the implementation of the "thick" whois policy. Amr Elsadr:There is an ongoing legal review being performed. Amr Elsadr:I think withholding consent is refering to publication of the transformed data. Amr Elsadr:This is another policy question that needs to be answered, but not by this PDP. Rudi Vansnick:refers back to the previous points ... and if today the WHOIS is changed there are also updates done Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Technically we could add to their responsibilites, but they obviously don't want us to. I don't want us to either, in the absence of good reasons why we should. Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: +1 Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 Amr Jim Galvin:@Amr +1 - I would add that the change needs to be logged and tracked. Jim Galvin:@Chris - validating the transformation is reasonable but that's a different thing then what is referred to here. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:@Jim, only if there is some standard way of transforming Jim Galvin:Yes, I meant "a reasonable topic for discussion" not that I meant it was reasonable to do. :-) Amr Elsadr:Ah. Thanks Jim. :) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:i c Howard Li:thank you! Sara Bockey:Thank you Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thank you all Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. Jim Galvin:Thanks! Bye! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:bye Wanawit Ahkuputra GAC:Sawasdee Chris Dillon:Goodbye all. Rudi Vansnick:goodbye till next week Peter Green (CONAC):bye all